The UX research reckoning is here | Judd Antin (Airbnb, Meta)

**Judd Antin** (0:00)
User-centered performance refers to customer obsession or user-centered practice that is symbolic rather than focused on learning. It's hugely common, I would argue. It's work we do to signal to each other how customer obsessed we are, not because we want to make a different decision. If you're like listeners are like, I don't do that, I'm kind of like, think about it for a second. This is extremely common. Every time a PM comes to a researcher at the end of a product process and says, can you just run a quick user study just to validate our assumptions? That's user-centered performance. It's too late to matter. We got to ship it, right? What they want is to check the box. One of my big kind of mantras was we don't validate, we falsify. We are looking to be wrong. Many PMs, many designers are not in that place. They do not want to be wrong, they're looking to validate. And that's user-centered performance.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:54)
Today, my guest is Judd Antin. Judd helped build the user research practice at Facebook. He was a long time head of research at Airbnb. And his direct reports have gone on to lead research teams at Figma, Notion, Slack, Robinhood, Duolingo, Fair and other amazing companies. These days, Judd spends his time consulting, helping companies with organizational challenges, product strategy, design, research, hiring, onboarding and crisis management. In our conversation, we unpack a conclusion that Judd has come to recently about how the user research field is going through a reckoning and what needs to change, both within the user research field and how companies leverage user research going forward. Judd shares what the user research field has gotten wrong over the last decade, how PMs and designers rely on user research too often and to answer the wrong questions, where user research will continue to provide significant value and how to best leverage researchers, why it's important for researchers to think about the business goals more versus just what the users need, what to look for when you're hiring a user researcher, how PMs can be better partners to researchers, and also a phenomenon that I love that Judd describes and often witnesses that he calls user-centered performance, where everyone acts like they care about the user, but they're just doing it for show and already know what they want to do. This episode has a lot of spicy takes and will probably upset some people, but Judd is sharing some real talk here that I think we all need to hear. With that, I bring you Judd Antin after a short word from our sponsors.
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Judd, thank you so much for being here. Welcome to the podcast.

**Judd Antin** (4:22)
Lenny, thanks for having me.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (4:23)
It's my pleasure. So we actually worked together at Airbnb for many years. And as I was preparing for this, I realized how many of the people that you managed went on to do amazing things. So I'm just going to read a list of people that worked for you and what they do now. So we had Matt Gallivan, who now leads research at Slack. We have Janna Bray, who leads research at Notion. Celeste Ridlin, who leads research at Robinhood.