The Subtext: True Crime, Colonialism, and Data Centers

**Lee C. Camp** (0:00)
Savannah Locke, welcome. How in the world are you?

**Savannah Locke** (0:03)
Lee, I am rocking and rolling.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:05)
Rocking and rolling. What's got you rocking and rolling?

**Savannah Locke** (0:09)
Well, let's think about it. I've been reading this book called The Calamity Club. Have you heard about it? Calamity Club, no?
It was written by the same lady who wrote the book The Help.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:20)
Okay.

**Savannah Locke** (0:21)
Lee, this book is 640 pages long, and that is quite a commitment. And the other book I've been reading that has got me rockin and rolling is a book about Doris Day.
Do you know Doris Day? Not to be confused with Dorothy Day.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:38)
I know a little bit about Doris Day, but not much.

**Savannah Locke** (0:41)
I feel like you would have liked her music in movies and stuff. You wouldn't have been alive for them.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:46)
I mean, I've listened to some of her music, I know, but.

**Savannah Locke** (0:49)
Yeah. She was like very famous 50s, 60s, 70s, an actress singer.
Anyways, a friend of mine is wanting to do a project based on Doris Day's life. So I bought a biography that is sort of in her own words. Like someone else wrote it, but she did basically like two weeks of full day interviews. And he kind of directly quotes her a lot and brings in different people's perspectives. Anyways, a fascinating woman in Hollywood in that time was just fascinating.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:23)
Yeah. I would imagine so.

**Savannah Locke** (1:24)
Rock Hudson, Frank Sinatra, Ronald Reagan, she started a movie with. I only know him as the president.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:31)
Yeah. Did you know he was an actor?

**Savannah Locke** (1:33)
I didn't know that.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:34)
Yes.

**Savannah Locke** (1:34)
But I hadn't heard. Because when this book was released, he had not gotten into politics yet.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:40)
Yeah.

**Savannah Locke** (1:41)
So it's interesting hearing names like that. Yeah. In different scenarios. Yeah. Anyways, what are you getting into lately?

**Lee C. Camp** (1:46)
Oh, I've just been mostly as far as reading. I've been mostly just reading for interviews for No Small Endeavor. I'm currently working through Danielle Chapman's memoir called Holler.
She teaches at Yale. And she's wife to a friend of mine in NSC, a guest several times, Chris Wyman, the poet. And so anyway, I'm looking forward to my interview with her this week. She has some roots in Tennessee, and it's a fascinating memoir.

**Savannah Locke** (2:15)
I know with the title of Holler, it's giving Southeast.

**Lee C. Camp** (2:18)
Yes, that's right.

**Savannah Locke** (2:19)
I love it. And you're going to the UK so soon.

**Lee C. Camp** (2:21)
Yes, indeed. Heading across the pond. What are you going to do? Well, I'm recording some episodes with several upcoming guests on No Small Endeavor. So we're very excited.

**Savannah Locke** (2:33)
To me, it feels that you might need a friend.

**Lee C. Camp** (2:37)
Well, I have at least two friends already going.

**Savannah Locke** (2:39)
Dang it.

**Lee C. Camp** (2:40)
Yeah, so.

**Savannah Locke** (2:41)
A third friend. There's something, Christian, in that threes.

**Lee C. Camp** (2:46)
The Trinity, yeah.

**Savannah Locke** (2:47)
Are you going to be doing any fun stuff when you're there too, in addition to your interviews?

**Lee C. Camp** (2:52)
We shall see. I'm hoping. It depends on how hard Sophie makes me work, but I'm hoping that I can go hiking in the Isle of Skye. So I'll let you know when I'm back whether I got to do that.

**Savannah Locke** (3:04)
How exciting is that?

**Lee C. Camp** (3:05)
I got to do one little day hike in the Isle of Skye years ago with my youngest son, Ben, who at the time was 12, I think.
And we had a wonderful day hiking on the Isle of Skye. But yeah, I hope to do some of the famous ones out on the, I guess it's the north side of the island. So we'll see.

**Savannah Locke** (3:22)
Would you go solo?

**Lee C. Camp** (3:24)
Yeah, probably so.

**Savannah Locke** (3:25)
I love that.

**Lee C. Camp** (3:26)
I think this particular trail that I'm looking at, that's one of their most picturesque, it's also highly trafficked and so I wouldn't be out there by myself.

**Savannah Locke** (3:35)
You wouldn't be? Yeah. That's nice. In case something were to happen. Lee, yes, I don't know why this is bringing this up for me, but yesterday I watched this documentary called Shipwrecked at Sea.