The Subtext: Macklemore, Ed Sheeran, and Vanity Politics

Lee C. Camp (0:00)

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Savannah Locke (0:48)

Hi, Lee. Welcome to our show.

Lee C. Camp (0:49)

Hello, Savannah. Welcome to our show.

Savannah Locke (0:52)

Lee, we saw each other this weekend. We did. So I already know one big thing that you did, which I'd love for you to share. But what else has been going on?

Lee C. Camp (0:59)

Um, a lot has been going on in my life. My youngest son got married and it was wonderful. And it was still a warm day. We had not had a break in the heat yet when we had the wedding. But it was wonderful and just delightful.

And one of those occasions where you're just so grateful to be alive and be with all the family and friends and it was wonderful.

Savannah Locke (1:23)

Did you cry? While officiating?

Lee C. Camp (1:30)

I teared up a little bit, but I didn't tear up too much. It was a kind of funny episode around that because I was Googling about two o'clock that afternoon, will I be more or less likely to ugly cry if I drink a swig of whisky?

Have I told you this story?

Savannah Locke (1:49)

No, but that's amazing.

Lee C. Camp (1:51)

And it came back and it said, you will be much more likely to ugly cry if you drink a shot of whisky. Don't drink the shot of whisky. And then it said, why? And so I said, I'm doing my son's wedding and so forth. And so it gave me several tips, like, you know, look up at the sky or when you feel the knot in your throat, press your tongue to the top of your mouth. And so, you know, so I had all these ready, you know, as I needed.

And I told my middle son, David, about this. And so we went through the wedding. I did okay. I made it through without ugly crying. But then at the wedding dinner, we were having the first dances. And so, you know, bride and groom, then a bride with her father, and then groom with his mother, my wife, Laura. And when Laura got up to start dancing, she was singing, they were doing Nancy Griffith's song, Heavenly Day, which is a wonderful, wonderful song.

And so I started crying big and watching them dance. And I start, it was a laughing cry at first. And so David was sitting by me with his back to me. And he heard me laughing and he turned and he said, why are you laughing? And he saw that I was crying. So he reached over and he put his hand, patted me on the leg. And so then of course I started crying more. And so after about 30 seconds, David turned back around to me and stuck his tongue to the top of his mouth, telling me, Dad, it's time now.

Savannah Locke (3:23)

Stop yourself from crying.

Lee C. Camp (3:26)

But it was a lovely day. Very beautiful.

Savannah Locke (3:28)

Very grateful.

That's a good tip. A good tip or trick of the trade.

Lee C. Camp (3:32)

That's right. Yeah.

Savannah Locke (3:32)

Whenever I don't want to cry, I have very long nails. So this wouldn't work for you. I always dig my finger or my nail into my finger. For some reason, it reroutes my thoughts.

Lee C. Camp (3:43)

There's something about getting yourself back into the moment by pain or discomfort. Another one of the tips was to carry an ice cube in your hand. A similar kind of thing, I think, is digging your nail into your finger.

Savannah Locke (3:54)

Yeah, just to bring some awareness back to something else. Although it's just good to cry in general. But in certain situations, you do need to not.

SPEAKER_4 (4:03)

Yes, tips and tricks.

Lee C. Camp (4:04)

How about you?