The Subtext: Gen Z’s Speaking Problem, Revisiting Nate Bargatze, Meta’s Child Safety Settlement

Savannah Locke (0:00)

Hi, Lee, welcome to our show.

Lee C. Camp (0:02)

Hello, Savannah, welcome to our show.

Savannah Locke (0:04)

Lee, what is the absolute latest gossip in your life?

Lee C. Camp (0:10)

Gossip in my life?

I try to stay away from gossip. What's the latest gossip in your life?

Savannah Locke (0:20)

What's the latest gossip in my life? That's a great question. Probably this is not really gossip as much as news. Perhaps it's the same thing, but my parents are leaving on Friday for a month, and they asked if we would take their dog.

Their brand new dog.

Lee C. Camp (0:38)

Oh, brand new dog. Body trained yet dog?

Savannah Locke (0:41)

Yes, but like kind of barely, you know?

Lee C. Camp (0:43)

Yes.

Savannah Locke (0:43)

Her name is Zuzu.

SPEAKER_3 (0:45)

Zuzu.

Savannah Locke (0:45)

And so we will have three dogs in our household, Lee.

Lee C. Camp (0:48)

Oh, my.

SPEAKER_3 (0:49)

And it is going to be chaotic.

SPEAKER_4 (0:50)

Zuzu, Prudence and?

SPEAKER_3 (0:52)

Bentley.

Lee C. Camp (0:53)

Bentley, yes.

Savannah Locke (0:53)

And Zuzu is my parents' first ever dog. They're both 70 years old, and this is the first dog that they've ever gotten.

And my mom was like, how do you name a dog? And I said, well, just think of things that you love or characters you love or people you love. And she named Zuzu after Zuzu's petals in It's a Wonderful Life. I know. Isn't that sweet? So that's the latest news.

Lee C. Camp (1:15)

Well, that's a significant news coming to your household.

Savannah Locke (1:18)

Literally three dogs for an entire month.

SPEAKER_3 (1:20)

Our dog is named Otis.

Savannah Locke (1:22)

Yes.

Lee C. Camp (1:23)

And Otis is getting old. I mean, he's not really old. He's like 10, almost 10

But he's a have a poo and he's just the sweetest creature. We love Otis.

Savannah Locke (1:34)

Are you reading or watching or listening to anything that you like lately?

Lee C. Camp (1:37)

We've been listening to a lot of Dolly Parton. We've had her streaming a lot here lately.

Savannah Locke (1:42)

Lee, we lost one of the greats.

Lee C. Camp (1:44)

We did lose one of the greats. And just the night before we taped this, the great Wendell Berry passed away at age 92

Yeah, two great ones in American culture.

Savannah Locke (1:56)

You were the first person I thought of with Wendell.

SPEAKER_3 (1:58)

Oh, really? Yeah.

Savannah Locke (1:59)

You guys are kindred spirits.

Lee C. Camp (2:01)

I never got to meet him. I wrote him a time or two. We tried several times to get him to come to Nashville to do a live show. And one of the funniest letters I ever received, I had written him and asked him if he would come. And so I went to the, at the time I had a PO box and I went to the PO box. And it was on the return address, manually typed on a typewriter, Wendell Berry, PO box one, Port Royal, Kentucky.

And, you know, addressed to Professor Lee Camp. So anyway, I opened it up and it said, Dear Professor Camp, thank you for your gracious invitation.

If I were there, I could not be here. So I cannot come. Yours, Wendell.

Savannah Locke (2:53)

I love that.

Lee C. Camp (2:56)

Yes. So anyway, we never had the chance to have him here in Nashville, but.

Savannah Locke (3:01)

Very Wendell.

Lee C. Camp (3:01)

But we lost a great one. Lost a great one. Great ones, both with Dolly and Wendell.

Savannah Locke (3:06)

Yeah, I know. It's not a good vibe in the air at the moment. It makes me feel so sad.

Although it does kind of set things in a perspective of what you want people to say about you.

Lee C. Camp (3:16)

And they both had nice long lives, productive, beautiful, fruitful, creative.

Savannah Locke (3:22)

Full of amazing letters.

Lee C. Camp (3:23)

Moved a lot of people in amazing ways.

Savannah Locke (3:26)

I love it.

Well, I want to read a review before we get started. I've been doing a lot of these lately, but I think it's because we have a backlog because I stopped. So I need to find a good balance and I'm not. Instead, I'm just swinging us on the pendulum back and forth. And I want to name that. I want to name that reality. This was from a user.

Lee C. Camp (3:47)

What generation are you? Millennial. That's a very millennial thing to say.

Savannah Locke (3:52)

What?