The Subtext: Flock Cameras, Hank Green, and Revisiting Skinny Culture

**Savannah Locke** (0:00)
Hi, Lee. Welcome to our show.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:01)
Hello, Savannah. Welcome to our show.

**Savannah Locke** (0:04)
Lee, what's the latest?

**Lee C. Camp** (0:06)
Life's good. I'll just be thankful for.

**Savannah Locke** (0:09)
Have you been listening or watching or reading anything of note?

**Lee C. Camp** (0:14)
We recently watched a docudrama about the Lockerbie bombing of Pan Am 103

**Savannah Locke** (0:22)
The Pan Am one?

**SPEAKER_3** (0:23)
Yeah. What do you think?

**Lee C. Camp** (0:26)
It's very sobering.
It painted a lovely picture of the people of Lockerbie, Scotland, and the people of Scotland generally, and then not so lovely picture of the FBI and their attention to the relational needs of families. But it was a very sobering story, and I was a senior in college, I think, when that happened. So it was fascinating to go back and review that story.

**Savannah Locke** (0:56)
I had never heard of it before until I watched the documentary.
But I watched it at the beach, and it was a great time. But if I had known that you would watch that, I would have brought in for today's episode a sub-stack that I read from a gal whose relative was killed in Lockerbie when the plane crashed.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:18)
On the ground in Lockerbie.

**Savannah Locke** (1:20)
And she basically talked about what we talked about a couple of episodes, which is how odd it is to have your story dramatized for television.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:29)
Yeah. I bet.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:31)
Yeah. It would be just so strange.

**Savannah Locke** (1:33)
She was not a fan.
She didn't watch it, but basically she was like without watching it, I do want to say my general trepidation is using my family story for any sort of entertainment or game, which is what we talked about with the John Ben A. Rancy stuff. Yeah. Which is the tension there. Because when I was watching it, I was like, this is so interesting and sad, and it felt so respectfully done. But then also taking into that what that call said.

**Lee C. Camp** (2:01)
Yeah.
It did feel respect. Again, I'm not one of the family member of a victim, but from my perspective, at least to the degree that I could tell, it seemed to be respectfully done.

**Savannah Locke** (2:12)
Yeah. And it gave the credit to a lot of the victim's families for getting all kinds of...

**Lee C. Camp** (2:18)
Right. All the work that they did and impressive persistence about...

**Savannah Locke** (2:23)
Aviation safety rules and everything because of them. Which is absolutely beautiful.
Okay. Well, Lee, I have read this book. That is crazy.
And I want to say from the front end, someone messaged me a couple of weeks ago and was basically like, I can't believe... Well, this is not the tone they used. It was something to the effect of, I hated Theo of Golden. And why did you recommend it? Okay. And I responded back and I was like, oh no, I'm so sorry. I actually don't remember recommending it on the show, but you and I did talk about it. And I went back and listened and I was like, oh, I'm not taking that, what we talked about as a recommendation. Cause both of us said, yeah, it has pretty flowery language, but like it's pretty, and it's tender and sweet. But it was not like, go read Theo of Golden. But I think what I'm realizing is sometimes when we talk about things on the show, people might be taking it as recommendations.

**Lee C. Camp** (3:18)
Interesting.

**Savannah Locke** (3:18)
So for the following book, I am not recommending this book broadly, but I loved it, but it's dark. It's called The Sparrow.
Have you heard of it? By Mary Doria Russell.

**Lee C. Camp** (3:31)
I think I've heard of it, but I don't want to think about it.

**Savannah Locke** (3:33)
Lee, it is 500 pages, and I read it in three days. A friend recommended it to me because she knows I'm into space.
It was written in the 90s about a Jesuit priest's first contact with a different planet.

**Lee C. Camp** (3:50)
Oh yeah, I have heard about this book.

**Savannah Locke** (3:53)
Dark, very dark, very intense. And once again, I am not broadly recommending. But I was so hooked and it had so many questions about seeking God and what happens when the answers that you find disrupt your belief system, and at what cost will you continue to choose to believe? So a lot of people have paralleled The Sparrow in the following book, Children of God, which I haven't read yet, with the story of Job in the Bible, where basically he continues to have faith despite everything being taken from him. Yeah, which is really interesting. Do you ever read sci-fi?