The Subtext: Deconstructing Christianity artwork

The Subtext: Deconstructing Christianity

No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp

July 29, 2026

What happens when a retired theology professor walks into a party full of deconstructing twenty-somethings? It sounds like the start of a joke. But really. How do we show up for ourselves and the people we love when doubt and deconstruction enter the chat?
Speakers: Lee C. Camp, Savannah Locke
**Lee C. Camp** (0:00)
Hello, Savannah. Welcome to our show.

**Savannah Locke** (0:03)
Welcome to our show, Lee Camp.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:05)
I'm not satisfied with that opening.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:07)
Why?

**Lee C. Camp** (0:09)
I don't know.

**Savannah Locke** (0:09)
Did it need more?

**Lee C. Camp** (0:10)
Welcome to our show.

**Savannah Locke** (0:13)
Welcome to our show.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:15)
No, but we want it, and we have been intentional about it being more communal. And the hour seems so narrow.

**Savannah Locke** (0:26)
Well, by our, I mean- Communal.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:31)
You mean-
The editorial, what do they call that? Editorial wee, the royal wee. You mean the royal wee, the royal hour.

**Savannah Locke** (0:39)
I mean the royal wee. What would you switch it to?

**Lee C. Camp** (0:42)
I don't know. Maybe we'll have to work on that.

**Savannah Locke** (0:44)
Welcome to the show where everyone is involved.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:50)
Yeah, but that's just conceit because that's not true either, is it?

**Savannah Locke** (0:53)
No.

**Lee C. Camp** (0:53)
Yeah. Welcome to our show, Savannah.

**Savannah Locke** (0:55)
Welcome to our show, Lee Camp.
What's happening lately? What's the biggest thorn in your side lately?

**Lee C. Camp** (1:06)
The biggest thorn in my side? I mean, personally, there's nothing particularly coming to mind.

**Savannah Locke** (1:13)
Nice.

**SPEAKER_4** (1:14)
Yeah. You're in a good spot.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:15)
Do you have one, a thorn in your side?

**Savannah Locke** (1:17)
Probably just my vitamin D levels.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:20)
You're not drinking enough milk or taking a multivitamin for women or anything like that?

**Savannah Locke** (1:24)
I started taking vitamin D supplements three weeks ago because my vitamin D levels were so low. Which is odd because I spent a lot of time outside.
Besides that, pretty much nothing. Actually, Lee, I'm totally lying. I've had bats in my house.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:43)
I saw that.

**Savannah Locke** (1:45)
That is the biggest thorn.

**Lee C. Camp** (1:48)
Hopefully, it's not a rabies bite in your side.

**Savannah Locke** (1:52)
Don't even say it. Don't even say it. So here's what happened for everyone who's a part of The Subtext. I leave my house at 1.3 one day, and we have this gal named Maria who comes to clean our house every month. I left my door unlocked, Maria comes in an hour later, and she shoots me a text message at 3.3 and says, there is a bat in your house, and sends me a video of a bat squirming around in our dining room.
I immediately had to come home, help trap this bat, and then we released it into the wild. I did not handle that experience well at all because I, of course, was thinking, what if this bat was in our bedroom in the middle of the night and we didn't know, and it bit us because you read stories about that happening.
There are a lot of reasons why that was very unlikely to have been true, namely that this bat wasn't flying in our house, it was just walking, it was crawling around, and so there was something wrong with it where it was grounded, so it was very unlikely that it could fly in our bedroom in such a way that we wouldn't notice and that my dogs wouldn't notice, and we found it in a dining room which was two doors away from where our bedroom is. I called the Tennessee's on-call epidemiologist. To explain the situation from top to bottom to say, do we need rabies vaccines? She said no. Okay. So I survived this whole experience, but barely. I was hanging on by a thread. Two days later, Todd and I are watching the World Cup in our living room. And as we are watching the World Cup, we see a bat fall from our chimney and into our fireplace, and the bat starts squirming around in our fireplace.
The silver lining of this is we now know exactly where the bats are coming from, and we know that the original bat and then this bat do not have rabies. They are just babies because this is the gestational period for bats. So basically, there is a colony of bats at the top of our chimney where all of these baby bats are being born and they're all hanging from there, and sometimes they fall and they can't fly yet, and so they probably won't make it. However, it's really good news for me that they didn't have rabies because it means I definitely am not going to get rabies and die. However, what's bad news for me is that it's illegal to move these colonies until the gestational period is over in the state of Tennessee.

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