The Rational Male: Rollo Tomassi | PBD Podcast | EP 124

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:03)
Santa Monica, Santa Monica, we're live. Okay, folks, today's episode 124 is with Rollo Tomassi, The Rational Male. We're going to talk about what it is to be alpha, what it is to be beta.
I think the question of the day, to be honest with you, everybody wants to know what is a soy boy, especially for our podcast, it's a critical guess or no?

**Rollo Tomassi** (0:27)
Still talking about this.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:28)
Soy boy mafia, we're going to talk about the black pill. We're going to talk about a lot of pills that apparently people are taking, the blue, the red, the black. Apparently, there's a white pill.
I wanted to get your thoughts on that. I know we've got some current events that we're going to get into. So having said that, the book, The Rational Male, I think it's nine different things that you talk about in there. There's a lot of things that you talk about in there. So how did you go, how's a guy that's been married nearly for 30 years write a book about how to be an alpha male and a rational male?

**Rollo Tomassi** (0:59)
Well, first off, I think you need to define what is an alpha male and what is a beta male. When I talk about alpha or beta, I'm talking about in terms, like, abstract terms.
So it's not like I'm, the comparison isn't we're like silverback gorillas or, you know, wolves on the Arctic tundra or something like that. It's a placeholder term. It's an abstraction.
To say there are guys who are of a higher class or of a higher value than there are of guys who are, you know, just sort of run-of-the-mill guys, average men right now.
So when you say something like alpha or beta, people want to turn it into sort of like scientific terms, like etymological terms, right? They want to say, well, your guys are just comparing yourselves to, you know, gorillas or something like that. It has nothing to do with it whatsoever. So defining what that is, the book is not necessarily meant to say, okay, here's how you'd be an alpha male kind of thing. What my work has done over the course of the last 20 years now has been to explore intersexual dynamics as a part of that. Yes, male nature is a part of that. Female nature is a part of that. And how do those two natures play on each other?
And how do they do that from a micro level to a macro level? So all the way down to, you know, what is it that makes a guy attractive? What is it that makes a woman attractive? And then from that point forward, it's how do they come together? How do they have sex? How do they form families? And from those families, how do they form tribes? From those tribes, how do they form nations? How do... and on and on and on. But you have to go all the way back and sort of distill it down to the intersexual dynamics between men and women. And that's what I attempted to do in the first book. And then I've got three other books since then that are supplements to the first book.

**Adam Sosnick** (2:38)
Rollo, before you became this rational male, like you guys were kind of doing a community college competition over here, who had a better community college upbringing in Pasadena.
But was this, did you go to school for this? Did you learn on the go? Were you out with your party guy? Well, like as Pat always asks, like, who were you in high school? Like, did you have a situation that happened? You're like a girl broke your heart. Like, that's never going to happen again. Everyone. How did this happen?

**Rollo Tomassi** (3:03)
OK, so this is standard. Was this standard question 101? OK, so so first thing is, I've been married for 25 years as of July of last year.
And so people always ask me that, how did you come into this situation? Did somebody break your heart? Was there some point like, well, how did you get red-pilled kind of thing? And it was a more like a slow process, not necessarily some sort of, you know, break up or anything like it. There's no catalyst to, you know, oh, well, I'm going to make this my life's mission. It wasn't about that. It was just curiosity for a very long time. I grew up, as I said, in Southern California.
I was part of, like, say, the late 80s, early 90s, you know, metal scene that was going on in Hollywood at the time. Yeah, thanks, yeah.