The Psychology Of Building Team Culture | Eddie Jones

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England have unveiled their first foreign head coat.

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Eddie's built this legacy of a guy who can get some really good short-term results.

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Eddie Jones has been dismissed from the position of England head coat.

Eddie Jones (1:35)

Where Eddie Jones' men are looking to ambush his former side.

It made me feel like really important that I was important for the team, that I knew something and I love that cage ever since. Yeah, I'd do anything for that cage because it made me feel like that.

Michael Gervais (1:53)

Wait, what just happened for you? You want to cry?

Eddie Jones (1:56)

No. It's just that I want them to have that feeling that they're really important and they can do things they think they can't do.

Michael Gervais (2:08)

Welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast, where we dive into the minds of the world's greatest thinkers and doers. I'm your host, Dr. Michael Gervais.

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A high-performance psychologist named Michael Gervais.

Michael Gervais (2:19)

Who head coach Mike McDonald and former head coach Pete Carroll to go out and work with the Seahawks.

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Famous for his work with Felix Baumgartner when he jumped out of space in the Stratos Project.

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Olympic athletes depend on something more than just training and talent.

Eddie Jones (2:32)

They have to stay mentally tough.

Michael Gervais (2:34)

Today's guest is Eddie Jones, one of the most accomplished coaches in World Rugby. Eddie has built a career on turning teams around. He creates pressure and then he challenges more from the people that he leads. Now there's a fine line here. Too little challenge? We never really understand who we can become. Too much challenge? We create the wrong conditions to explore potential.

Eddie Jones (2:55)

I regret it so much. I took her love of the job away just because she was untidy in one area. The value she gives to the organization was far greater than those errors. That was probably the best lesson I've had.

Michael Gervais (3:08)

So as you're listening, are you creating an environment where people simply perform for you, or where they feel capable and supported and challenged to be their best?

Eddie Jones (3:18)

Information and control is important, but the ability at the right time to show vulnerability is very important, and I'm probably not that good at that.

Michael Gervais (3:26)

With that, let's jump into this week's conversation with the legend, Eddie Jones.

Eddie, first of all, congratulations on a huge body of work. And there's very few people that understand success at the level that you do in elite sport. And so I'm honored to sit with you and have a conversation about culture, about pressure, about what it takes to help a human become their very best. So excited for you to be here.

Eddie Jones (4:01)

And that's great to be here, and a real honor to be here, mate.

Michael Gervais (4:04)

Yeah, it's really cool. So by heritage, your dad, your father is Australian and your mother is Japanese.

Eddie Jones (4:10)