The Neighborhood of Make-Believe

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Dan Beecher (0:59)

Is it me or is this bush not really burning, man? I can't tell. It looks like it's just on fire, but never burns.

Dan McClellan (1:07)

You got any more of that manna, man? Hey everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:17)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:18)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion and combat the spread of misinformation about the same. And we're going to be doing a little both today, aren't we, Dan?

SPEAKER_6 (1:31)

Yeah, a lot, a lot of a lot of a lot of both of it, too.

Dan McClellan (1:36)

Yeah. Looking forward to today. These are these are topics that come up all the time and and a little topical when it comes to what's in the news.

Dan Beecher (1:47)

Oh, sure. Some of it.

SPEAKER_5 (1:49)

I don't know that our first our first thing might not be too topical, but the second thing will be it's talkable.

Dan McClellan (1:55)

It's not necessarily topical, but the second one. Yeah, at least at time of recording, the second one is is on the minds of an awful lot of people. Yeah. So and we'll talk about that.

Dan Beecher (2:07)

Yeah, we're our first. Our first segment is going to be an artifacts and fiction segment. Oh, we're we're going to be diving into the Red Sea. And won't it be nice?

Dan McClellan (2:18)

It'll be very shallow, very walkable. Oh, it'll be.

SPEAKER_6 (2:22)

Yeah.

Dan Beecher (2:22)

So apparently you can just sort of wave your arms and like just walk straight through.

Dan McClellan (2:26)

So that's going to be talkable, a topical, a walkable day to day.

SPEAKER_6 (2:31)

All right.

Dan Beecher (2:32)

So and then and then later on in the show, we're going to do we're going to do a chapter and verse about about a good Samaritan. We'll see. We'll see what happens with that.

SPEAKER_6 (2:43)

Yeah.

Dan Beecher (2:43)

But but to start us off, artifacts and fiction. And today's topic, I'll give a brief introduction. I know that we're prepped to talk about it more in depth. But I love that the main guy, you got to love it when Google trolls a dude, because when you Google Ron Wyatt, it it says Google comes up and it says, Ron Wyatt, American nurse esthetist.

Dan McClellan (3:20)

Yes, that was his day job.

Dan Beecher (3:24)

So that is not at all what he is known for, and not remotely.

Dan McClellan (3:29)

Well, I don't know. In the community of nurse esthetists, and we're not in any way, shape, or form whatsoever, mocking or deriding that community or that job, those are very important people, as I and my wife can both attest, and that is very important work. However, yes, he's more widely known for other stuff.

Dan Beecher (3:51)

He kind of abandoned his field of expertise for a field in which he had no expertise.

SPEAKER_7 (3:58)

It's been zero expertise.

Dan Beecher (4:00)

Yeah, and apparently it got started, I was just reading about this guy, and apparently it got started because he saw a picture in Life Magazine of a hill in Turkey, and said that looks like a boat shape, and decided it was where Noah's Ark landed, and that sent him on the amateur archaeology path forever.

Dan McClellan (4:30)

That is hilarious. I have not heard that story. However, obviously, he's talking about the Duru Pinar site. Correct. So this is a hillside in Turkey. So when you looked into this, had someone already said we think this is Noah's Ark, or was this, he just saw a picture in a magazine that somebody was like, look at the lush green hillside, and he was like, there's a boat.