The Meta Show S6 Ep28 - Horde Collapse hear it from former Horde Directors and Known Members

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**Dave Archer** (1:54)
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**Dave** (1:57)
There you go. Sorry about that, folks. TVing problems. We have our producer running the show.

**Dave Archer** (2:03)
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**Dave** (2:05)
Welcome to The Meta Show.

**Dave Archer** (2:06)
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**Muskie** (2:43)
Just call me Coci. It's fun.

**Dave Archer** (2:45)
Coci Coci works awesome. I like it. So appreciate everybody for hopping on. And as we might see in the title here, I wonder what we're going to talk about this week. We're going to talk about like patch changes right now. We're going to talk about the collapse of Horde and the ultimate end of Horde, which is something Dave, I think we talked about a few months ago when this all kicked off about the time the Keep Star fight happened where the Ragoons of Eonshule was not able to defend their Keep Star against Horde. I was like, this feels like a Guardians of the Galaxy collapse, Guardian, you know, that or Guardians of the Gate, or whatever the fuck they were called, collapse.

**Dave** (3:25)
That's getting in, I'm pretty sure.

**Dave Archer** (3:27)
Yeah, this feels like a collapse similar to that. And the folks were saying, no, no, no, it's not the same. It's not the same. Horde's going to back away and goons are going to step off the pedal and it's not going to end that way. But it feels like that's the way it ended. And ultimately, there's no more Horde in the game. So, who wants to kick it off? How do we feel, group, team, about the end of Horde, the end of an era?

**Kaz** (3:56)
This is the question. Why dotting of all time, right?

**Dave Archer** (4:01)
Yeah, that's a good point, Kaz. That's a good point. And like, why dotting in to in it or WinnerCo? Because I've heard it from both sides.

**Kaz** (4:11)
Yeah, it depends who you love and respect more, Vanguard or NCNPL. And I don't know if that, goons, even goons might have a split decision on that, to be honest, right? You got the guys who joined WinnerCo are legit the big bads from the old days. And the guys who joined in it are the big bad that just fell apart, you know, in a really sort of embarrassing and laughable way. And that most people were part of, right? All the diaspora is coming out of Horde. So I don't know. I really, I don't know. I want to hear what everybody thinks.

**Dave** (4:44)
Yeah.

**Dave Archer** (4:46)
Any other thoughts from the group here?

**Satan** (4:49)
I'm Stan. Go ahead, Satan.

**Muskie** (4:51)
Go ahead, go ahead, Mike.

**Satan** (4:54)
I mean, Satan has been in the organization a lot longer than I have. But I mean, I would say that probably the majority of my time in Eve has been with Horde, at least playing seriously. And I'm sad to see it go. It's one of those, you know, it's an organization that for me was the thing that kept me in the game, you know, through a lot of the challenges and a lot of like the decision making, you know, and balance changes and all that stuff. You know, the social group kept me there. And so I'm sad to see that go. But I am on the other hand, I'm happy to see that there's going to be changes and there's going to be a change, I think, in what we see in NullSec generally.

**Kaz** (5:37)
Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. Seminal change for NullSec, right? For so long, being part of the PanFam family in some way, was defining for a huge people, huge number of people in NullSec, right? And not just like being in Horde specifically, but you had access to all that space. A lot of different people were blue to you at different points through the years. You could typically make it to Amamaki relatively safely just out of how the geography was. Just all these things have just dramatically changed all of a sudden. It's really going to be interesting to see how that plays out and what has become unstable that previously PanFam was keeping together.