The Hillstone Conspiracy & Electric Bleu Review

**Jordan Okun** (0:07)
Mad Food, I'm Jordan, Max is here. Jumbo Time Wine is the sponsor. Mad Jumbo is the promo code. 20% off is the discount. And if you love Mad Food, you'll understand the importance of being in the business of booze, whether it is as a drinker, right?

**Max Shapiro** (0:24)
Well, I would, yes, I would hope that you're a drinker.

**Jordan Okun** (0:26)
What are other names that we can use? What are the words for?

**Max Shapiro** (0:30)
A partaker.

**Jordan Okun** (0:31)
Is there like a gourmand in the wine world?

**Max Shapiro** (0:34)
An enophile.

**Jordan Okun** (0:35)
An enophile? I'm not using that word.

**Max Shapiro** (0:37)
Come on.

**Jordan Okun** (0:38)
I'm not using that word. I'll just use drinker. Everyone understands, right?

**Max Shapiro** (0:41)
Partaker.

**Jordan Okun** (0:42)
I don't want to say alky. Used to say alky when I didn't-

**Max Shapiro** (0:45)
People get upset.

**Jordan Okun** (0:45)
When I didn't respect the business of booze, but now I'm so ensconced in it. Right?

**Max Shapiro** (0:51)
You love being ensconced.

**Jordan Okun** (0:53)
An enophile?

**Max Shapiro** (0:54)
Yeah.

**Jordan Okun** (0:54)
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**Max Shapiro** (1:12)
20 percent, which by the way, is significant.

**Jordan Okun** (1:16)
That is significant. Okay. Some more audience feedback to start the show today. I like this.

**Max Shapiro** (1:24)
Do you actually?

**Jordan Okun** (1:24)
Because we get so much.

**Max Shapiro** (1:26)
So this is new. So are people just like unsolicited giving you?

**Jordan Okun** (1:30)
Through, I mean, think about it though. I mean, what this is, is we, throughout the years, we've always gotten DMs, people complaining, people applauding, people asking questions.

**Max Shapiro** (1:45)
Yeah.

**Jordan Okun** (1:45)
So you know what? And it frankly, it was so annoying and it is so annoying.

**Max Shapiro** (1:51)
But now we make it content?

**Jordan Okun** (1:52)
But if I turn it into content and use it, then it gets nice. Great. And then I like it.

**Max Shapiro** (1:57)
Okay.

**Jordan Okun** (1:58)
Okay. So this is going to become a regular thing, just as those people keep the feedback coming.

**Max Shapiro** (2:04)
All right. Yeah. I usually respond or ignore at times, but let's bring it into the Mad Foodiverse.

**Jordan Okun** (2:11)
You know, the problem is when you think about feedback, you think about it in like, oh, this is going to be like positive or helpful.

**Max Shapiro** (2:19)
Oh, usually not at all.

**Jordan Okun** (2:21)
Most times, not at all.

**Max Shapiro** (2:22)
Yeah. Right?

**Jordan Okun** (2:25)
Let's see.

**Max Shapiro** (2:27)
Let's see. Difficult for some people to be constructive.

**Jordan Okun** (2:30)
First up, this is a bashing of me. You're off the hook for now.

**Max Shapiro** (2:36)
For now, I'm sure.

**Jordan Okun** (2:37)
There is clearly artichoke throughout the Hillstone spinach artichoke dip. Please learn. And now everyone's using learn.

**Max Shapiro** (2:45)
So this isn't Uncle Pines saying please learn.

**Jordan Okun** (2:48)
That's right.

**Max Shapiro** (2:49)
This is someone else.

**Jordan Okun** (2:50)
Yes, not Uncle Pines.

**Max Shapiro** (2:51)
Got it.

**Jordan Okun** (2:52)
And the thing before, the episode before, where someone said learn about Philly and they said Matt R. That wasn't Matt Rice either.

**Max Shapiro** (2:59)
No.

**Jordan Okun** (3:00)
So learn is spreading, unfortunately, or fortunately, however you want to look at it. Everyone using it now. I am willing to concede that this, of course, this is not a conspiracy. There are, of course, artichokes.

**Max Shapiro** (3:14)
There's a bit.

**Jordan Okun** (3:16)
In the dip.

**Max Shapiro** (3:17)
Yeah, there's a bit.

**Jordan Okun** (3:19)
What do you think? That I really think Hillstone is using the word artichoke and the ingredient and then just not giving it to people?

**Max Shapiro** (3:28)
You're messing around.

**Jordan Okun** (3:29)
I will say this, though.

**Max Shapiro** (3:31)
Not enough?

**Jordan Okun** (3:32)
Well, it's not artichoke. Will you agree that it's more spinach forward?

**Max Shapiro** (3:37)
I would agree that it's more dairy forward.

**Jordan Okun** (3:40)
And dairy forward than artichoke forward.

**Max Shapiro** (3:43)
Sure. Yeah, yeah.

**Jordan Okun** (3:45)
And do you agree that you can barely see and or taste the flavor of artichoke in that Hillstone dip?

**Max Shapiro** (3:54)
It is heavily integrated to a point where it's seamless within the dip.

**Jordan Okun** (4:01)
That is a very respectful description. Max has so much respect for the Hillstone organization.