The Crystal Pepsi of Aqua

**Marco Arment** (0:00)
Now, it's WBDC week. This is the most important podcast episode that we do in the year. This is the one that we get, but usually significantly more downloads than average. It's the one where we have the most live listeners. It's the one really where everyone's most excited about our show.
And it always happens in the same one to two week span. It's always the first or second week of June, and it's been that way for, I don't know, 30 years. Casey, when did you schedule a vacation?

**Casey Liss** (0:33)
So, as it turns out, I'm not at home right now. I'm at the beach.
So, first of all, if I sound funny, I am using my normal microphone, my normal preamp, my normal mute switch. I'm using different XLR cables, if that matters, but I am in a very, very different physical environment. So-

**Marco Arment** (0:50)
Are they oxygen free cables?

**Casey Liss** (0:51)
Yeah, right. They're gold plated, Marco, just for you.
So, if I sound like crap, that is my fault, not Marco's. I wanted to address that right now. I mean, hopefully I sound normal or normal-ish, but if it's a little echoey or something like that, or if you hear a child or a dog in the background, I will try to ride the mute switch aggressively. Seagulls, something like that. But yeah, so I am in a different spot.

**John Siracusa** (1:14)
That's not what Marco was asking you to address, by the way.

**Casey Liss** (1:16)
I'm getting there, I'm getting there. So, the thing of it was, was that we had thought that we were going to do another overseas trip this summer. We thought this in the summer of 25, we thought, okay, the summer of 26, we're going to go back overseas. And we had planned our vacation schedule with the assumption that we would be spending a week or two overseas, probably in July, which is typically when we would come to the beach.
And I have a particular beach house that I really like, John can appreciate this. And I got this thought in my mind that if I don't at least book something for the beginning of the summer, it's just going to book up out from under us. And then we won't even have any opportunity to go to my favorite beach house at my favorite beach. And so I thought to myself, well, self, Apple always does the first week in June. And we're going to talk more about that in two seconds. But Apple always does the first week in June. Of course, WWDC will be the first week in June. Even if I were to get an invite, I'll be home by that following weekend. No problem. There's no issue with me scheduling this the second week of June. And honestly, what I'll end up doing is I'm just going to cancel this and rebook for later in the summer once we have a little bit clearer plans. Well, I'll give you one guess what didn't happen. We didn't rebook for later in the summer. And also, this is Marco's birthday week. How many birthdays have I celebrated? How many of your birthdays have I celebrated with you in WWDC? You would think I would have thought of this, but no, I didn't.

**John Siracusa** (2:39)
Right.

**Marco Arment** (2:39)
Because my birthday is in the second week of June, and I think I've spent at least four of them in WWDC.

**Casey Liss** (2:45)
Right?

**John Siracusa** (2:45)
And WWDC last year was in the second week of June.

**Casey Liss** (2:48)
Was it? Yes, it was. Failures up and down and sideways.
I lost a bet with myself to begin the video. I thought there was going to be some super campy, super cringe, like Two Dads moment, where Turnus and Cook were going to do the passing of the torch baton, whatever, and that didn't happen at all.

**John Siracusa** (3:11)
Turnus, who?

**Casey Liss** (3:13)
Yeah, exactly. Who is John Turnus? We don't know. He's not here.

**Marco Arment** (3:17)
Yeah, I think the general stagecraft and mood of this video, I think had some interesting changes that I would like to kind of get on, you know, cover right up front here. Number one, the general broad content of the video had very little, like, here's what the new OSes are doing and here's a feature and here's a screenshot demo or here's something demoing them. Like, it was surprisingly little of that.
It was also surprisingly low on the kitch, with the exception of the Federighi intro about the Mac OS name. We'll get to that. But one thing I noticed that I really liked about these, and we'll get to this more later, is they included what appeared to be real time demos of all the new AI stuff, even when it was, like, a little bit slow and you had to wait a second and there was, like, some dead air. And they would show it, usually with, like, a split-screen view of the presenter on the left and then their hand holding an iPhone on the right. And you would see things happening in real time on that iPhone. It almost felt like a live performance. Like, I know it wasn't.