The Case For Eating Better Meat - Diana Rodgers - #244

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Oh, hello, people in Podcastland. welcome back. I am coming to you from a very hot and sunny Dubai, but don't be jealous. I'll be back in the UK soon. And the podcasts are still coming. Your boy is getting it done while he's in the United Arab Emirates. Today's guest is Diana Rodgers. She is part of a pro meat eating movement, which I'm seeing increasingly more and more at the moment. Chris Cressa had that famous debate on Joe Rogan with the guy from the, what the health, what the health? Game Changers, Game Changers documentary. And today we get to go into even more of the information around why eating meat is important. I am still unconvinced about the philosophical case for not being a vegan. Alex O'Connor has really, really red-pilled me on that, the cosmic skeptic, my good buddy. However, the nutritional case that Diana puts forward today and the environmental one is quite compelling. Her film, Sacred Cow, is out on November 22nd, and I'm certain that that release is going to spark another flurry of debates around this topic. So educate yourself. Make sure that you understand both sides of the argument. And I think that there's some really interesting insights that I certainly hadn't heard before on today's episode. In other news, this episode of the podcast is brought to you by Manscaped. Precision engineered tools for your family jewels. You are no longer allowed as a man in the 21st century to be trimming the most sensitive part of your body with an old shaver, which you got for Christmas four years ago and has now been relegated to trimming your ball sack. Manscaped has just launched in the UK, so you're finally able to get your hands on the Lawnmower 3.0, the greatest ball and body hair trimmer ever created, featuring cutting edge ceramic blade to reduce grooming accidents and 90 minute battery so you can take a longer shave, waterproof technology which allows you to groom in the shower and an LED light which illuminates grooming areas for a closer and more precise trim. Not only that, but it's Christmas coming up soon, might be a good present to get your other half or just someone in your life that you know is too hairy in and around the body, perhaps. They've also given us 20% off and free shipping with the code Modern Wisdom. So you can go to manscaped.com and use the code Modern Wisdom to get 20% off everything, including their fantastic Lawnmower 3.0. It's like under 60 quid and you can finally bin either yours or your boyfriend's old shaver that continues to make them incredibly nervous. The ambient anxiety that we all know is you shame squat in the shower to get the business done. You don't need to worry about that anymore because you have a 7,000 RPM motor with quiet stroke technology, in case you fancy trimming when everyone else in the house is asleep at five in the morning or anything else manscaped.com code Modern Wisdom for 20% off and free shipping. But for now it's time to learn about the case for better meet with Diana Rodgers.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I'm joined by Diana Rodgers. Diana, welcome to the show.

**Diana Rodgers** (3:38)
Hi, nice to have me. Nice to be here. Thank you so much, Chris.

**Chris Williamson** (3:43)
It is nice to have you. Your work is at the intersection of nutrition, environmental sustainability, animal welfare and social justice. That's just all of those are mine fields, and everyone's emotionally charged. Like that's an incredibly harsh war zone to exist in.

**Diana Rodgers** (4:04)
That's right.

**Chris Williamson** (4:09)
The look of a PTSD battle scarred soldier there. Yeah.

**Diana Rodgers** (4:14)
I mean, I think that a lot of people will say eating meat is wrong, killing animals is wrong, right? But you can't have an ethical discussion until you understand the nutritional benefits that animal products have to humans, especially people that don't have the privilege to be pushing that away, which gets into social justice. We can't be telling the entire world that everyone needs to be vegetarian when there are so many people that are nutrient deficient and malnourished.
Then when we look at the environmental consequences of a food system without animal inputs, that looks a whole lot like chemical agriculture, which is a huge problem, right? And so when we look at chemical agriculture, plant-based only foods, those two things are the recipe for fake meat, absolute destruction of our soil health, ecosystem health, and human health. So I try to tackle all of those things because they're all so intricately twined. And so I want people to understand all of those things before we have a discussion about whether or not it's okay for an animal to die for us to live.