The 5 Levels of AI-Native: How to Get From Level 1 to Level 5 in 30 days | Peter Yang

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**Marina Mogilko** (1:00)
It almost feels like cheating.

**Peter Yang** (1:02)
I fear that I'm getting dumber and lazier. If I'm on a flight and there's no internet connection, I just don't feel like working anymore.

**Marina Mogilko** (1:08)
That's Peter Yang. He spent a decade building products at Reddit, Meta, and Roblox. Now he runs a newsletter for 140,000 people with no team, almost all of it through AI.

**Peter Yang** (1:18)
I'm like an employee is never going to leave you.

**Marina Mogilko** (1:21)
It's only getting exponentially better.

**Peter Yang** (1:23)
Last 10 percent, you got to add your human touch to it. You don't have to be a creator to make this. I see a lot of creators, they like to get AI to generate like 10 posts per hour, and like the slop goes viral. This is heartening.

**Marina Mogilko** (1:33)
For someone who's trying to stay ahead in this AI era, what should they be doing?

**Peter Yang** (1:37)
So step number one is use Codex or Claude code. Step two is to...

**Marina Mogilko** (1:42)
I really wanted to make this podcast practical for everyone who's watching. There is something that's going on in AI right now that everyone is talking about which is self-improving.
You recently built Claude's self-improving skills and the whole narrative is like, stop prompting your AI, make it figure out what to do next. Can you talk about that and is self-improving a reality for people who are just using AI versus researchers?

**Peter Yang** (2:09)
Yeah, there's like different ways to do it.
First of all, I think all your audience knows the skill is just like a text file with a bunch of instructions, right? And yeah, I have skills for making my podcast, or editing my newsletter posts and so on. Most basic ways to do a self-improvement is after you use a skill and you have a back and forth conversation with AI, because it never gets it right in one shot. Then you just say like, hey, based on our conversation, can you please update the skill to account for, to try to get to it in one shot faster, right? And then it will make a bunch of changes and you should review it. And then hopefully you'll do it better next time.

**Marina Mogilko** (2:41)
When I integrated AI into every part of my work, it almost feels like cheating. And a year before that, you said you were drowning in meetings and projects. What are the top three things that you deployed in this year that dramatically changed how productive you are?

**Peter Yang** (2:57)
So I can talk about my creator work since we're both creators. And being a creator is like a lot of repetitive work, right? Like a lot of repetitive copy and pasting back and forth, and changing things from newsletter posts to YouTube description, to social posts, there's a lot of different formats. And I just decided to spend one day, like just like, you know, no meetings and just sat down with Codex and be like, hey, I basically just brain dumped all my workflows to Codex. And here's how I do it manually. And I use this thing called Whisperflow, just like brain dump, right? So my voice.
So there's like a couple of major ones, like, you know, prepping the podcast, post production, there's editing my newsletter posts, there's posting to the various social media platforms. And then another one is I just like setting up an advisor to kind of give me like business advice, like checking ideas.

**Marina Mogilko** (3:42)