“That Looks Like an Explosion” - Candace Owens and Andrew Wilson Debate Charlie Kirk’s Death

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**Andrew Wilson** (0:26)
Do you think that Charlie Kirk was killed with an explosive?

**Candace Owens** (0:29)
I think that that is a possibility, yes.
And it should be explored. He's done a lot of work on it. John Bryan has done good work. And I think that that's why that theory is now starting to gain steam. Since we released the second set of the photos of what was in the car, I think it's viable.

**Andrew Wilson** (0:45)
So this was the big thing I wanted to get into with you on the explosives too. What is it about that theory that's actually compelling to you? So I looked into the explosive mic theory multiple times. And the biggest thing that stood out to me is there's no explosion.
There's literally no explosion. In fact, there's videos when the shot rings out that kills Charlie, at least it sounds like a shot to me. People are actually looking up towards where the gun is being fired. They're looking away for where the sound is. But where's the actual explosion?

**Candace Owens** (1:20)
Well, for every person that you say looks away, there's going to be a person that was looking forward. We have former Marines that have gotten on and said, it looks to me like there's an explosion under his shirt. You obviously saw Rob O'Neill go on to, I'm forgetting which platform it was, where he said, the first thing I thought was...

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:42)
Rob O'Neill is the man that killed Osama bin Laden.

**Candace Owens** (1:44)
And I think he's qualified to say what he believes he saw.
We should actually, since they're pulling clips, we should run that clip of Rob O'Neill and what he said and what he observed in his experience. So I'm going to take that. And also there were people who immediately spoke to the media that day who said the same thing, that they thought that something happened under his shirt. That was actually, if you go back to my first episode, when I was just observing what I saw with my eyes, I was asking the serious question, I was seriously saying, why is it like somebody shot him from underneath? Why is his shirt moving first? That doesn't make sense to me.

**Andrew Wilson** (2:15)
That's because of air dispersal from the bullet.
So whenever a bullet is shot, a projectile shot, you can actually run this experiment yourself if you have a rifle. Take like an empty box of ammunition and put it on the table and then fire it near the muzzle and that box will actually blow off the table.

**Candace Owens** (2:33)
So question for you, does that box go sideways off the table?

**Andrew Wilson** (2:37)
It can.

**Candace Owens** (2:39)
It can.

**Andrew Wilson** (2:39)
Yeah, it depends on the dispersal.

**Candace Owens** (2:41)
Do you, 3,000 pounds of energy or 2,000 pounds of energy coming at you, that's how much it carries.

**Andrew Wilson** (2:46)
Well, it's not 2,000 pounds of energy.

**Candace Owens** (2:48)
We can fact check that.
How many pounds of energy is a 30-odd-6 being shot 150 yards away? That's a great question for Grok. I'm gonna say when we looked at it, it was between 1,500 and 2,000, I'm pretty sure. Pounds of energy coming at you and you just go upward into the side. I don't really buy that. I'm gonna just say, I just think that that's not possible. It doesn't go through on top of that, there's another miracle, you didn't get blown backward, it didn't go through. But I also wanna say that you're saying this can happen and Rob O'Neill is infinitely more qualified, I think, to speak on that. And well, because he's actually shot and killed people.

**Andrew Wilson** (3:23)
Why would that have anything to do with anything? Well, because- Did he slow down all the videos of the people he shot to see if their clothes moved?

**Candace Owens** (3:30)
Well, why are you able to assert your prison as a fact?

**Andrew Wilson** (3:32)
Because I'm gonna tell you how projectiles were. He's not even gonna, I guarantee you, this guy's not even gonna disagree with what I'm about to say.