Spencer Pratt on Fixing LA: Wildfires, Homelessness, Corruption & the Fight to Take It Back

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:00)
Spencer Pratt, welcome to the AllIn Podcast.

**Spencer Pratt** (0:02)
Thank you for having me.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:03)
You had an unbelievable debate performance the other night. I have so many friends that were texting, and people obviously were tweeting about it. Let's start with that. How are you feeling after the debate?

**Spencer Pratt** (0:14)
I just wish it had been like two hours or three hours because the list of their failures that we didn't even get to touch on, it's unbelievable. So it was the most fun I've had in years because what people don't realize is they're pathological liars. So when somebody gets to be on the stage with only facts and the truth, that's why there's this incredible response to it because everybody that always watches these lying politicians, they know they're lying and nobody gets to yell, they're lying. But it was very hard to be respectful because all the lovely Democrat moms that love me, that want to keep supporting me, they asked me to please stay calm, cool and collected. So the whole time I was doing my best behavior to not interrupt the lying, which if I hadn't been tasked with that mission, I would have been like, It was hard to do. Liar, liar.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:07)
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**Spencer Pratt** (1:44)
Well, thankfully, people argue with me all day long in every single media hit that I've done for months because they don't want me to get into the machine. So every interview I do, unlike these politicians, it's opposition. It's arguing, arguing, arguing. When these, you know, Mayor Bass or Councilman Rahman talk to the media, they can just lie. And then the media people go, oh, thank you, thank you Mayor Bass, thank you Councilman. If I say anything, I got to have who was there, what they were wearing, what they have for breakfast. I have to have my information so fact-based and be bulletproof to beat this machine that it's, I debate, all I do is debate people all day long.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:25)
You're held to a higher standard.

**Spencer Pratt** (2:26)
Exactly.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:27)
You're challenged all day.

**Spencer Pratt** (2:28)
And all I live in is facts and the truth. And so I called my lawyer who's representing me in the case against the city and the state, and LA DWP, one of the most famous lawyers in the world. I said, Peter, how do you stay so calm when you're arguing with these liars? And he said, Spencer, I always have the truth.
I was like, oh, I was like, okay, I got that. Yeah, so that was a great just message I took into that.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:56)
Can we, for people that don't know your story, and I want to just give you a couple of minutes to tell it, let's go back to the fires. Where were you and where was your family, your wife, your kids? Where were you guys when these fires kicked off and how did you end up evacuating and what was that evening like?

**Spencer Pratt** (3:11)
Well, let's even rewind before the fires. It just shows you that our emergency situation is not the level it needs to be because I didn't even know that there was this crazy wind weather event. My son had had pneumonia so I was up every night checking his temperature and I'm on my phone a lot. I'm a phone person and I didn't even know that this was an extra dangerous dry weather. So that just shows you if you rewind, we weren't even informed at the level clearly we should have been. So the morning of January 7th, I was doing my normal routine, making my espresso, about dancing to Taylor Swift, Look What You Made Me Do on Snapchat, which I've done since the Reputation album dropped. All of a sudden I see our nanny running down the street. She comes in with our two-year-old at the time. She's like, the workers of the street said there's a fire on the hill.