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Dan McClellan (1:01)

There's a boy here who has five barley loaves and two fish. He's like, I was on the way home with this.

SPEAKER_4 (1:07)

This is our dinner, man.

Dan Beecher (1:08)

My mom's gonna be mad. Yeah.

Dan McClellan (1:17)

Hey, everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:18)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:19)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (1:32)

Things are good, things are good.

I am well-fed, all of my loaves and fishes are doing well. So, we need to see if Factor has a loaves and fishes thing.

Dan McClellan (1:47)

We need to get some Ezekiel bread, we need to get some loaves and fishes. Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of Bible-based culinary experiences that they are missing out on.

Dan Beecher (1:58)

I know, maybe we'll get a Bible-based meal planner sponsor. Who knows?

Dan McClellan (2:05)

Yeah, we'll get the high-protein Sampson plan.

Dan Beecher (2:12)

Anyway, as you may have guessed, one of the things we're talking about today on the show is the feeding of the 5,000. Something that, Dan, you have been sort of pouring over lately.

Dan McClellan (2:26)

A little bit, yeah.

Dan Beecher (2:28)

On your YouTube channel. But before that, we're going to do a What Is That? About transfiguration. Yes. Hopefully, we can all, by the end of the segment, we'll all know how to do it, how to look super shiny.

Dan McClellan (2:45)

Yeah, your transfiguration and you.

Dan Beecher (2:49)

Or maybe that's just something for Jesus. It's an All New Testament show today. Yep. We're going to have a bunch of Jesus, so buckle up and let's dive into What Is That?

Okay, so this week's What's That? As we said, it's transfiguration. It's something looking different than it did. Yes. But in this case, it's Jesus, specifically.

Dan McClellan (3:18)

It's Jesus, again.

Dan Beecher (3:22)

Oh, that guy.

Dan McClellan (3:23)

Yep. That's what everybody wants to hear come Christmas morning.

SPEAKER_8 (3:26)

Oh, it's Jesus.

Dan Beecher (3:28)

He's got main character energy, and that's what we're rocking with.

Dan McClellan (3:32)

Yes. And we've got three different accounts of the transfiguration. This is a synoptic tradition. This is absent from Mr. John, the Gospel of John.

Dan Beecher (3:44)

So John was out on his own, man. John was doing his own thing. He was feeling, I don't know, he was feeling himself.

Dan McClellan (3:57)

He must have been thinking about whoever it was, that song was about. But we've got in Mark 9 in Matthew 17, and then in Luke 9, we've got the story of the transfiguration. And interestingly, and not insignificantly, in all three of the Gospels, this comes immediately after Jesus pulls everybody, well, his disciples aside and says, hey, just so you know, I'm gonna die. And then I'm gonna come back to life.

Dan Beecher (4:29)

And he, yeah, it's a little gruesome. It's a little, and also interestingly, so Mark 9, Mark is, correct me if I'm wrong, Mark, we think is the earliest of the Gospels.

Dan McClellan (4:46)

Yes, that's pretty widely agreed.

Dan Beecher (4:48)

So that's where we should start when we're looking at this, right?

Dan McClellan (4:52)

Yes, that's where we should start.

Dan Beecher (4:53)

And Mark 9, really, again, again with the, you know, when they, when the, whoever came up with the chapters and verses, whoever, the diversification, why would you start Mark 9 with the last paragraph of the last thing? Like Mark 8 ends with Jesus talking about how he's gonna die and he's gonna be tortured and all this stuff. And then Mark 9 starts with him saying, and he said to them, truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.