Sergey Brin, Google Co-Founder | All-In Live from Miami

**Chamath** (0:02)
We've got a special guest who's going to come join us.

**Jason** (0:04)
This always happens.

**Chamath** (0:06)
There he is, Sergey Brin, everybody.

**Jason** (0:07)
Oh my God. Somebody told me you started submitting code and it kind of freaked everybody out that daddy was home.

**Sergey Brin** (0:17)
All models tend to do better if you threaten them.

**Jason** (0:19)
If you threaten them.

**Sergey Brin** (0:20)
Like with physical violence.

**Jason** (0:22)
Yes.

**Sergey Brin** (0:22)
Management is like the easiest thing to do with AI.

**Jason** (0:25)
Absolutely. It must be a weird experience to meet the bureaucracy in a company that you didn't hire.

**David Sacks** (0:29)
But on the other side of it, I would say, it's pretty amazing that some junior muckabee muck can basically look at you and say, hey, go f*** yourself. No, but I'm serious. That's a sign of a healthy culture, actually.

**Jason** (0:40)
You're punching a clock, man. I hear the reports. You and I have talked about it. You're going to work every day.

**Sergey Brin** (0:45)
Yeah, it's been, you know, some of the most fun I've had in my life, honestly. And I retired like a month before COVID hit, in theory. Yeah. And I was like, you know, this has been good. I want to do something else. I want to hang out in cafes, read physics books. And then like a month later, I was like, that's not really happening. So then I just started to go to the office, you know, once we could go to the office.
And actually, to be perfectly honest, there was a guy from OpenAI, this guy named Dan. And I ran into him at a little party. And he said, you know, look, what are you doing? This is like the greatest transformative moment in computer science ever.

**Jason** (1:34)
And you're a computer scientist?

**Sergey Brin** (1:35)
I'm a computer scientist.

**Jason** (1:36)
Forget that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're a PhD student for computer science.

**Sergey Brin** (1:39)
I haven't finished my PhD yet, but working on it.

**Jason** (1:42)
Keep working.

**Sergey Brin** (1:43)
We'll get there. Yeah, technically on leave of absence. And he told me this, and I had already started kind of going into the office a little bit, and I was like, you know, he's right. And it has been just incredible, just while you guys all obviously follow all the AI technology. But being a computer scientist, it is, you know, the most exciting thing of my life, just technologically.

**Jason** (2:07)
And the exponential nature of this, the pace of it, it dwarfs anything we've seen in our career. It's almost like everything we did over the last 30 or 40 years has led up to this moment, and it's all compounding on itself. The pace, maybe you could speak, you know, you had a company, Google, that grew from, you know, 100 users and 10 employees to, now you have over 2 billion people using, I think, six products, or five products have over 2 billion.
It's not even worth counting because it's the majority of the people on the planet touch Google products. Describe the pace.

**Sergey Brin** (2:46)
Yeah, I mean, the excitement of the early web, like I remember using Mosaic and then later Netscape. How many of you remember Mosaic, actually, my weirdo? And you remember there was a What's New page.

**Jason** (3:01)
The What's New page is great.

**Sergey Brin** (3:02)
Like you go to the homepage.

**Jason** (3:03)
Two or three new web pages.

**Sergey Brin** (3:04)
Yeah, it was like this last week, these were the new websites.

**Jason** (3:08)
Yes.

**Sergey Brin** (3:08)
And it was like such and such elementary school, such and such a fish tank.

**Jason** (3:13)
Yeah.

**Sergey Brin** (3:14)
And you were like, wow.

**Jason** (3:14)
Michael Jordan appreciation page.

**Sergey Brin** (3:16)
Yeah, well, whatever it was, these were the three new sites on the whole Internet. So obviously, the web developed very rapidly from there. And that was a very exciting, and then we found smartphones and whatnot. But the developments in AI are just astonishing, I would say by comparison, just because of the web spread, but didn't technically change so much from month to month, year to year. But these AI systems actually changed quite a lot.
If you went away somewhere for a month and you came back, you'd be like, whoa, what happened?

**Jason** (3:56)
Somebody told me you started submitting code, and it freaked everybody out that daddy was home.

**Sergey Brin** (4:05)
Okay.

**David Sacks** (4:05)
Daddy did a PR? What happened?

**Sergey Brin** (4:07)
The code I submitted wasn't very exciting. I think I needed to add myself to get access to some things, and a minor seal here or there. Nothing that's going to win any awards. But you need to do that to do basic things, run basic experiments and things like that. I've tried to do that and touch different parts of the system.