Secret Hollywood Rituals, Shane Gillis & Toxic Masculinity - Mark Normand - #762

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Hello everybody, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Mark Normand. He's a podcaster, actor and a comedian. Is Hollywood a secret cabal of child eating sorcerers? It might be. Mark has spent enough time in its orbit to know. And if nothing else, he can riff on some good theories for two hours with me. Expect to learn what Mark thinks of the downfall of New York City and bail reform, why the resurgence of Shane Gillis on SNL might not be the death rattle for woke culture, how Mark remains positive in the middle of negativity if he's worried about being de-platformed, his thoughts about what is considered offensive in Hollywood, the one word that you can never say to an American, and much more. Mark is essentially impossible to podcast with. The guy is so quick and moves at such a pace. He is by far one of the most difficult people, but also super enjoyable. I love sitting down with him. I think his insights are great and he's hilarious. So I really hope that you enjoy this one. Don't forget that you might be listening, but not subscribed and the next couple of months have got some of the biggest guests that we've ever had on Modern Wisdom plus a world first. And the only way that you can ensure you won't miss those is by hitting subscribe. So navigate to Apple podcasts or Spotify and press the follow button or the plus in the top right hand corner. It really does support the show and it means that you won't miss episodes and it makes me very happy. So go and do it. I thank you. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mark Normand.
Mark Normand, welcome to the show.

**Mark Normand** (1:49)
Hey, good to be back. What is this, big three?

**Chris Williamson** (1:52)
Three, third time.

**Mark Normand** (1:53)
Third time, and two from the airport. I come straight here.

**Chris Williamson** (1:57)
Yeah, flying. It's Women's History Month.

**Mark Normand** (1:59)
Oh, no.

**Chris Williamson** (2:01)
Don't say that.

**Mark Normand** (2:02)
Wow.

**Chris Williamson** (2:03)
We just exited Black History Month.

**Mark Normand** (2:05)
That's true, wow. That was a tough month, just like, I feel like there's more black on black talk and trash than before.

**Chris Williamson** (2:14)
How so?

**Mark Normand** (2:15)
Well, you got the Cat Williams, which was like the Black Epstein List. And then, like, What's Her Face did it? Monique did it after her. I don't know, they just feel, and now like P Diddy is getting, you see all the P Diddy stuff?

**Chris Williamson** (2:29)
No.

**Mark Normand** (2:29)
Oh my God, you got to get on black Twitter. It's wild.

**Chris Williamson** (2:33)
Blitter?

**Mark Normand** (2:33)
Blitter, yeah.

**Chris Williamson** (2:35)
What's P Diddy been involved in?

**Mark Normand** (2:37)
P Diddy, oh, black Twitter would be Malcolm X. All right. P Diddy is getting called gay and apparently hooked up with a bunch of young boys and stuff.

**Chris Williamson** (2:48)
He's getting called gay and apparently hooked up. So it's like the R Kelly 2.0, it's the R Kelly sequel.

**Mark Normand** (2:52)
Yeah, no urine, sans urine, but yeah, apparently had like a Bieber moment and an usher thing and a meek mill and all this. So check it out.

**Chris Williamson** (3:03)
Yeah, I, watching that Cat Williams Club Shea Shea appearance made me realize that black people live in an entirely different universe, like linguistically.

**Mark Normand** (3:15)
Oh, yeah.

**Chris Williamson** (3:15)
That's not a surprise to anyone, but you just seeing that kind of a conversation. You know, when someone comes in, they've got a very strong accent and you kind of tune the radio in your head, you're like, where am I? And then you kind of hit the rhythm and you're like, ah, there we are. It took a little while for me to, because, and it's not just that, it was references are different and the cadence that they speak at is different. And the way that they use pauses is different. And the colloquial terms that they use, everything is so different.

**Mark Normand** (3:45)
Yeah. Well, I feel like they, black people come up with all these terms and lingo, and then we take it like a year later. Whitey will get it a year later, and then we fuck it up, and then black people are like, we need some new shit. Like, white people are supposed to say in bling, you know, and stuff like that.

**Chris Williamson** (4:01)
So we're permanently chasing down the cool of black people.

**Mark Normand** (4:03)
Is that what you're saying? But we have our, Whitey has its contribution. Like, we'll invent basketball, and then black people will-