Save Me!

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Dan McClellan (0:46)

So, God was like, I need you to be naked for the next three years. And he's like, oh my gosh.

Dan Beecher (0:51)

I need three years of nudity for a metaphor that I'm working on.

SPEAKER_3 (0:57)

It's gonna pay off.

Dan McClellan (0:59)

Don't worry, it'll pay off.

Dan Beecher (1:00)

Trust me, you're gonna love this. Everybody's gonna be thrilled about this.

SPEAKER_7 (1:03)

Yeah.

Dan McClellan (1:09)

Hey everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:11)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:12)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How go things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (1:25)

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a little too hot, but that's to be expected in June.

Dan McClellan (1:30)

It is in the 90s. It is July, however.

Dan Beecher (1:33)

July, that's fine. They both start with J-U, so, you know, it's also to be expected in June, but July is even worse.

Dan McClellan (1:42)

It's the summer months.

Dan Beecher (1:43)

Yeah. How are you doing?

Dan McClellan (1:45)

It's cooler here than I was in Italy, though. Oh, okay. And I just got a text from a friend who is in Italy right now. And I was like, it was in the high 90s when I was there. What's it like now? And he's like, oh, it's low 80s. It's cooled off quite a bit.

Dan Beecher (2:00)

Oh, wow.

Dan McClellan (2:01)

Yeah, he got lucky.

Dan Beecher (2:02)

It was a joke on you.

Dan McClellan (2:04)

Yeah, I was there for the heat wave and it was brutal, but came back to Utah and now, yeah, it's still in the 90s.

Dan Beecher (2:12)

And now just more brutality.

Dan McClellan (2:14)

Yeah, the sun feels closer in Utah than in many other places. Like even though it is like drier here, it just feels like the sun is more punishing here.

Dan Beecher (2:26)

But that drier makes a lot of difference because when I was in Montreal recently and, you know, Western or Eastern Canada, it was quite moist there. And so even lower heat felt just so oppressive. Anyway, you know, it's nothing compared to the fires of hell that we're all gonna be burning in.

Dan McClellan (2:50)

So, some of us sooner than others.

Dan Beecher (2:54)

Let's get to our show, which involves the fires of hell, I guess, or rather the avoiding thereof, because our first segment is going to be about salvation, which sounds great. And then in the second section, kind of looking forward to this, you guys are gonna want to stick around for it. We're going into Isaiah, and we're gonna be talking about six-winged angels and just...

Dan McClellan (3:21)

Not angels, not angels. We'll get to that.

Dan Beecher (3:24)

Hey, tradition says they are angels. The Bible itself doesn't. Anyway, Seraphim are gonna make an appearance, and also a bunch of other stuff. And Dan is going to explain to me, what the heck I just read, because I read that chapter, and I was like, so that'll be that'll be fun. But first, what's that? And this week's What's That is being saved, the concept of being saved. Yeah, we talked a little bit about this with when April LeJoy was on the show, and we talked about how she and her family used to go and ask their poor servers at restaurants, if they would pray with them. And none of my religious background, none of the theology that I was raised with, ever had a concept where one prayer with a family at a restaurant was enough for salvation, period, for the forever. But that seemed to be their contention. Their contention was that if this waiter just humors us and prays with us, boom, they're saved. Yeah. So let's talk about salvation. Let's talk about the concept of being saved.

Dan McClellan (4:51)

Yeah, and the, I don't even know if they use the acronym, but like OSAS, once saved, always saved, goes along with that. But I wanted to go back to the beginning, a very good place to start, with the fact that in the Hebrew Bible, being saved was an entirely different concept from what it is in the New Testament, but then particularly after the New Testament. Because you've got the name Yeshua, which is Jesus, which is supposed to be related to salvation, and it's Aramaic, and it is either the clause, Adonai is salvation, or it's just the regular old Aramaic word for salvation.