Roman Yampolskiy: These Are The Only 5 Jobs That Will Remain In 2030 & Proof We're Living In a Simulation!

Steven Bartlett (0:00)

You've been working on AI safety for two decades, at least.

SPEAKER_2 (0:02)

Yeah.

Roman Yampolskiy (0:03)

I was convinced we can make safe AI, but the more I looked at it, the more I realized it's not something we can actually do.

Steven Bartlett (0:09)

You have made a series of predictions about a variety of different dates. So, what is your prediction for 2027?

SPEAKER_2 (0:19)

Dr. Roman Yampolskiy is a globally recognized voice on AI safety and associate professor of computer science. He educates people on the terrifying truth of AI.

Steven Bartlett (0:28)

And what we need to do to save humanity.

Roman Yampolskiy (0:30)

In two years, the capability to replace most humans and most occupations will come very quickly. I mean, in five years, we're looking at a world where we have levels of unemployment we've never seen before. Not talking about 10%, but 99%.

And that's without super intelligence. A system smarter than all humans in all domains. So, it would be better than us at making new AI. But it's worse than that. We don't know how to make them safe. And yet, we still have the smartest people in the world competing to win the race to super intelligence.

Steven Bartlett (1:00)

But what do you make of people like Sam Altman's journey with AI?

Roman Yampolskiy (1:04)

So, decades ago, we published cardrails for how to do AI right. They violated every single one. And he's gambling 8 billion lives on getting richer and more powerful. So, I guess if some people want to go to Mars, others want to control the universe. But it doesn't matter who builds it. The moment you switch to super intelligence, we will most likely regret it terribly.

Steven Bartlett (1:25)

And then, by 2045...

Roman Yampolskiy (1:27)

Now, this is where it gets interesting...

Steven Bartlett (1:30)

.Dr. Roman Yampolskiy. Let's talk about simulation theory.

Roman Yampolskiy (1:33)

I think we are in one. And there is a lot of agreement in this. And this is what you should be doing in it, so we don't shut it down. First...

Steven Bartlett (1:42)

Just give me 30 seconds of your time. Two things I wanted to say. The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning in to the show week after week. It means the world to all of us. And this really is a dream that we absolutely never had and couldn't have imagined getting to this place. But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started. And if you enjoy what we do here, please join the 24% of people that listen to this podcast regularly and follow us on this app. Here's a promise I'm going to make to you. I'm going to do everything in my power to make this show as good as I can, now and into the future. We're going to deliver the guests that you want me to speak to and we're going to continue to keep doing all of the things you love about this show. Thank you. Dr. Roman Yampolskiy, what is the mission that you're currently on? Because it's quite clear to me that you are on a bit of a mission and you've been on this mission for I think the best part of two decades at least.

Roman Yampolskiy (2:39)

I'm hoping to make sure that super intelligence we're creating right now does not kill everyone.

Steven Bartlett (2:51)

Give me some context on that statement, because it's quite a shocking statement.

Roman Yampolskiy (2:55)

Sure. So in the last decade, we actually figured out how to make artificial intelligence better. Turns out if you add more compute, more data, it just kind of becomes smarter. So now, smartest people in the world, billions of dollars, all going to create the best possible super intelligence we can. Unfortunately, while we know how to make those systems much more capable, we don't know how to make them safe, how to make sure they don't do something we will regret. And that's the state of the art right now. When we look at just prediction markets, how soon will we get to advanced AI? The timelines are very short, couple of years, two or three years according to prediction markets, according to CEOs of top labs. And at the same time, we don't know how to make sure that the systems are aligned with our preferences. So we are creating this alien intelligence. If aliens were coming to Earth and you have three years to prepare, you would be panicking right now.

But most people don't even realize this is happening.

Steven Bartlett (4:13)

So some of the counterarguments might be, well, these are very, very smart people. These are very big companies with lots of money. They have an obligation and a moral obligation, but also just a legal obligation to make sure they do no harm. So I'm sure it'll be fine.