Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 111: Figure It Out, Kevin

**Karen Kilgariff** (0:16)
Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

**Georgia Hardstark** (0:20)
This is the show where we look back on our old episodes from 2018 with all new insights and case updates and pop culture references.

**Karen Kilgariff** (0:28)
Today, we're rewinding to episode 111, which we named Figure It Out, Kevin.

**Georgia Hardstark** (0:32)
This episode originally came out on March 8th, 2018

**Karen Kilgariff** (0:36)
All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 111
Hello. Hi.

**Georgia Hardstark** (0:44)
Welcome.

**Karen Kilgariff** (0:45)
To My Favorite Murder.

**Georgia Hardstark** (0:48)
The podcast, your weekly true crime podcast.

**Karen Kilgariff** (0:51)
Hosted by Karen Kilgariff.

**Georgia Hardstark** (0:52)
And Georgia Hardstark.

**Karen Kilgariff** (0:53)
And that's us.

**Georgia Hardstark** (0:54)
And there's Stephen over there on the ones and twos. Making it even.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:00)
Happeninger. What were you gonna say?

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:04)
He's making it happeninger.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:06)
He's making it happening and making it happeninger.

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:09)
Because he took an improv class, he knows how to heighten.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:12)
He yes-anded.

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:13)
He yes-anded our eternal improv that is this podcast.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:19)
That's exactly what I was gonna say.

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:20)
And.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:21)
And.

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:21)
Yes, and.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:22)
That's correct.

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:23)
The hanging and.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:24)
Hey, how are you?

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:25)
I'm good. I feel like a lot of actually relevant things have happened since we last recorded.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:35)
Yeah.

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:35)
For us to catch up on.

**Karen Kilgariff** (1:36)
Yeah.
Because last week we put up a live episode. So when we missed that week, we missed the talking. Yeah. So we have to talk about the Oscars.

**Georgia Hardstark** (1:49)
What? A monologue. Well, no, the one, the thing I was going to say, which I'm excited to talk about is the four-part ID channel series called The Golden State Killer, It Is Not Over.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:03)
Yes. I thought you, I was like, it's not over.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:05)
Oh, that's the full title.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:07)
It was full. Yes.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:08)
Every time that title card would come up, I'd be like, it's okay. We get it. It's not over.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:12)
Yeah. So The Golden State Killer now is on the fucking tip of everyone's lips.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:17)
That's right.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:17)
Because Michelle McNamara's book came out. Yeah. And I'll Be Gone in the Dark, which I've been listening to obsessively. Yeah.
I'm almost done and I like don't want to finish it. So I'm listening to other shit so I don't have to.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:32)
Yeah. So it won't be over.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:33)
Yeah.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:33)
Yeah.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:33)
Because it's not over.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:35)
No, I know. It's not over.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:37)
It's correct. It's not over.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:39)
You know, what's funny is I, so Patton Oswalt, who is Michelle's husband, sent us copies of the book so that we could have it because he knows. But I forgot that I had pre-ordered it long, long ago.

**Karen Kilgariff** (2:52)
Right.

**Georgia Hardstark** (2:52)
So I had two copies. I was holding yours because he sent them both to my house. Then a couple of days later, I got a third copy. So now me, you and Stephen all have copies of Michelle's book. But the cool news is that Patton just sent me a picture today of the New York Times Book Review Best Sellers List. Michelle is number one on the non-fiction list. Yes. Yeah. She's number one. And it's so cool.
Like it's so as a person who followed her from the True Crime Diary. And I used to just pour over that thing. I remember the post that she wrote when she talked about how Euron's original Night Stalker, that it was too confusing and it needed a better title. And she, it was her idea to call him the Golden State Killer.

**Karen Kilgariff** (3:38)
Which is so like forward thinking in a way that's like, you know, this needs to be, people need to know what this is because there's all these victims who are not getting the attention that they deserve to have their case solved. So if we give it a better name, people will pay attention to it more.

**Georgia Hardstark** (3:54)
Exactly right.

**Karen Kilgariff** (3:54)
Which is so smart. It's not something I would ever have thought of, you know, of, you know, that that's important and why.

**Georgia Hardstark** (4:00)
Yeah, she was, she was very masterful and the whole, her whole approach to it was so good. She got cops to start talking to each other, to share information. It's, it's very cool story. And I'm sure most of the people listening to this are either reading it right now or listening to it right now in some way. I'm sure that has a lot to do with that. Those numbers on that list. Totally. So good job, you guys. I'm so excited and thrilled that she gets that kind of remembrance and also that it gets that level of exposure. But you know what I was going to say is that ID channel, I was actually looking because it's produced so well.