"Real, Cover-Up or Conspiracy?" - Ex-CIA Officers Rate JFK, UFOs & Havana Syndrome

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**Patrick Bet-David** (0:30)
So let's play this game. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to give each of you these paddles. Okay. One of them says real.
One of them says PSYOP. One of them says conspiracy. The other one says coverup.

**Sarah Adams** (0:43)
Okay.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:44)
Okay. And I'm going to give different conspiracy, and you pick and choose.

**Sarah Adams** (0:48)
Okay.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:48)
It's BS, it's PSYOP, it's this, it's that.

**Sarah Adams** (0:51)
Okay.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:51)
Let's have some fun with this one here. Okay. MKUltra. MKUltra.
What did you put up? Let me see, MKUltra.

**Sarah Adams** (1:02)
It never worked good, by the way, people. That's why it was canceled.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:05)
MKUltra.

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:06)
That we know of.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:07)
Both of you are real. Okay.

**Sarah Adams** (1:09)
It was a real program.

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:10)
Documented.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:11)
We'll come back to that.

**Sarah Adams** (1:12)
It was a CIA army program. People were always cut up the army.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:16)
All right. UFOs, aliens, actual aliens, not illegal aliens, aliens.

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:20)
You mean like living, breathing aliens?

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:22)
Living aliens.
Let me see. What do you have? Both of you real? Okay.

**Sarah Adams** (1:27)
Yeah.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:28)
And you know that for a fact?

**Andrew Bustamante** (1:29)
No, just statistically, they have to exist. The idea that we're the only intelligent life.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:34)
For you, is it 100% or it's statistic?

**Sarah Adams** (1:36)
For me, it's like a feeling. So there's been a couple of places I've been in the world, especially Manchu Picchu and how it was built, how it moves with hurricanes. They were doing like brain surgery. I was just like, there had to have been some being that came down and just taught some things. I feel like sometime aliens came to our world. I think there's little things around the pyramids. You see a few things. I do feel there's little pieces of evidence.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:00)
But not because you know for a fact. That's just pure you as well.

**Andrew Bustamante** (2:03)
I don't know for a fact. If I had a smoking gun fact, that would be so excited.

**Sarah Adams** (2:06)
Aliens, if you wanna come and duck me for like 60 days, feel free.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:10)
Be careful saying that. Take about two hours before you do so. Let's finish the podcast first. Okay, next one.

**Sarah Adams** (2:15)
I like real world experience.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:17)
CIA killed John F. Kennedy. Come on, CIA.
What do you got?

**Andrew Bustamante** (2:27)
Split decision.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:29)
So you're conspiracy and cover up and you have conspiracy. Okay, let's tackle that one. What do you mean? Tell me more.

**Andrew Bustamante** (2:36)
There was a time in CIA's history where it was a totally uncontrollable wild animal, where it could just do whatever the director or the group chiefs or whatever wanted to have done. And there was a very real time when nobody was keeping assassinations in check or death efforts in check.
And there was also a time when JFK was adamantly opposed to a lot of what CIA was doing. So there's just enough information out there to show that there is some kind of intelligence connection with the JFK killing, but there's not enough information for us to be able to weave it all together. So a cover-up must be happening, whether that cover-up is an active cover-up or whether at the time somebody was smart enough to take all the evidence and burn it, I don't know. But it's somewhere between full-on cover-up and conspiracy.

**Sarah Adams** (3:26)
And I actually do believe it really links in some way to Cuba and even some of their networks here. There is all that chatter maybe like a few days before there was supposed to be an attempt by like kind of the Cuban mafia in Tampa to take them out. So I do think there's a strong Cuba connection. Now, as Andrew says, every once in a while you get that rogue CAA officer kind of working both sides. So we can't say that's not 100% there, but I just don't feel like the director of CIA directed it. That's my opinion.