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Pride Month vs. the Bible!

Data Over Dogma

June 9, 2025

Welp it's June, and that means LGBTQIA+ Pride month! At least that's what it means for many. For a minority of people, June is national grumpy homophobe month.

Speakers Dan Beecher, Dan McClellan

TopicsSociety & CultureHistory

Dan Beecher (0:00)

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Dan Beecher (2:19)

I think most, basically all, Christians in a modern context would be very happy to say that they disavow the idea of marriage is one man purchasing a woman from another man. We're all on board with that.

Dan McClellan (2:40)

Hopefully. Yeah, I think there are some people in Davis County who probably are not quite there yet.

Dan Beecher (2:46)

Okay, fair enough.

Dan McClellan (2:52)

Hey everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (2:54)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (2:55)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. And boy, do we have some combat to do tonight.

Dan Beecher (3:10)

It's all combat today, baby.

Dan McClellan (3:12)

We're going to slip right into those combat footies, and we're going to get going.

Dan Beecher (3:17)

We're warriors today. Happy Pride Month, Dan.

Dan McClellan (3:22)

Happy Pride Month, Dan. Right back at you.

Dan Beecher (3:26)

And that is what this week's episode is all about.

Dan McClellan (3:31)

We're going thematic this week.

Dan Beecher (3:32)

And this is how we know that it's springtime, because pride comes before the fall. No, wait. Anyway, what we're going to be talking about in the first segment is actually the word pride. We're going to be taking issue with the sin of pride. And then in the second segment for our chapter and verse, we're going to be doing a... We're going to be looking at some passages that have maybe been used in some not very nice ways against some very nice people.

Dan McClellan (4:04)

And yes, perhaps they've been used in particularly prideful ways. If one may be so bold.

Dan Beecher (4:11)

Ooh, very, ooh. We're getting, we're going to get them, hoist them on their own petard, if you will.

Dan McClellan (4:22)

Whatever that means, yes.

Dan Beecher (4:24)

Whatever that ends up meaning.

Dan McClellan (4:26)

Yes, petard I think was a bomb, wasn't it?

Dan Beecher (4:28)

Yeah, yeah.

Dan McClellan (4:29)

Yeah, and so to be hoisted by one's own is to accidentally blow oneself up. Yeah, yeah.

Dan Beecher (4:35)

So we're going to blow them up on their own bombs. So first, though, let's take issue.

And we're going to start with the issue we're going to take is about pride. But our launching point is a lovely tweet. I'm not going to call it a tweet. I don't. Well, maybe I will. Here's what I've decided. And I'm just going to put this out into the world. I want all of you to take this on. Dan, you and I were just talking about X and how when Elon first got Twitter and changed the name to X, I was like, I'm never going to call it that. I'm always going to call it Twitter because that'll show them or something. And then I realized that, oh, he's changed it so much that it really is a very different place. So now I referred to the old thing as Twitter and this new abomination that welcomes Nazis and has a hate bot running around. And I call that X. I think that that is a perfectly fine appellation for the dumpster fire that it has become. So, but my theory is that the word tweet can now be used on any social media platform. If you did a short post, I call it a tweet. If you're on threads, you did a tweet. You didn't do a thread, you did a tweet. So anyway, we're launching with a tweet, sorry about the rant, we got a little off topic. We're launching with a tweet from a real peach of a guy, Pastor Mark Driscoll.

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