**Andrew Sharp** (0:00)
Hello, and welcome to a free preview of Sharp Tech.
Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Sharp Tech. I'm Andrew Sharp, and on the other line, Ben Thompson. Ben, how are you doing?
**Ben Thompson** (0:20)
Well, I was, I think at some point, might have been the first half, early in the second half, thinking about our Sharp Tech, Nick's emailer, and just like coming in hot, too early, telling if it was too early, thinking about how funny it was gonna be when it all fell apart. And then I'm still not totally sure what happened.
**Andrew Sharp** (0:43)
I mean, I still can't believe what happened. I was thinking of a goat emailer, Cameron in Australia, who emailed me and Golliver like a month ago, asking whether he should buy tickets to the NBA Finals and fly to New York City from Sydney, Australia. And I recommended at the time, do it. Life is short. Yeah, it's gonna be crazy expensive. But if this is a bucket list item, this is your opportunity. Who knows when the Knicks will be back here? Just make the move. And then he did it. And he spent god knows how much on tickets to game three and game four.
And I was sitting there. They lost game three and watching game four down 30 at a half time, feeling really guilty that I was encouraging Cameron to go to the game. And then it turned into probably the most unforgettable game of his life and any of our lives. So here we are.
**Ben Thompson** (1:39)
There's no dollar figure that could have made it feel too expensive after last night.
**Andrew Sharp** (1:43)
Oh my god. I'm so happy for him.
**Ben Thompson** (1:45)
You messaged as such about how worried you were about him. And I think you messaged it exactly at the Nadir. I think they were down 29 and the game turned thanks to your care.
**Andrew Sharp** (1:55)
The tide was turned.
**Ben Thompson** (1:57)
Oh my god.
**Andrew Sharp** (1:58)
The rest is history.
**Ben Thompson** (2:00)
I was going to counsel you. Look, you need to not take responsibility for other people's decisions. Cameron is his own person.
**Andrew Sharp** (2:06)
And he made that clear to be clear. He didn't put it on me, but I still felt guilty during game four.
**Ben Thompson** (2:11)
No, but maybe I'm wrong. If you're if you were able to turn the tide, maybe you do need to be caring more about your advice.
**Andrew Sharp** (2:19)
Indeed. And every Knicks fan in the audience, thank me over the next several days.
**Ben Thompson** (2:24)
Well, let's let them win first.
**Andrew Sharp** (2:25)
Yeah.
**Ben Thompson** (2:26)
Let's let them finish the series. It is now now in finals loss would be even funnier. So brace yourself. Absolutely.
**Andrew Sharp** (2:36)
Well, for now, Ben, we will begin with WWDC. We're going to talk through Anthropic and its new Fable model later in the show.
But first, I look forward to WWDC convos every year as a tech guy. Well, as a tech guy, as a Vision Pro fanatic, the Vision Pro got a couple of mentions in this year's keynote. So love to see that.
**Ben Thompson** (2:59)
Not dead yet.
**Andrew Sharp** (3:00)
It's not dead yet. You know, we got Siri on the Vision Pro. But in general, it's sort of an Apple state of the union. It's also how I marked the time on Sharp Tech. I still think back to the initial WWDC with Vision Pro, Apple Intelligence.
**Ben Thompson** (3:16)
I have an extra take on here.
**Andrew Sharp** (3:18)
Okay.
**Ben Thompson** (3:19)
This was actually an incredibly important WWDC for you.
**Andrew Sharp** (3:24)
Why is that?
**Ben Thompson** (3:25)
Because the person at Apple most responsible and most passionate about the Vision Pro is Mike Rockwell, who basically put up his hand and said, let me fix Siri, please. Like someone else, like we need to get rid of the clowns that are in charge. Put me in charge, despite the fact, he's like from like, I think like Dolby logic originally, like no like obvious sort of connection to building AI.
And it's one of those things if WWDC went well, and if he pulls it off, he'll keep his baby alive. Well, he's going to rise in power and prominence at the company. There's actually been questions about that, some political intrigue around his position there. And if he were to leave, I think your Vision Pro might be in trouble. And if you were to succeed, it might be good for your Vision Pro. So there's a lot at stake.
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