"Pick a Side" – Former Daily Wire CEO Says JD Vance Must Distance Himself From Tucker

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
Tucker's son works for Vance.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:02)
Did.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:02)
Did. Tulsi, Vance and Kent had a friendship, had a relationship, right? Sometimes they'll say, that's the group right there.
Rubio is kind of like, look guys, I don't even want to run in 2020, he keeps avoiding you. Look, I don't want to run, I don't want to run, I don't want to run. You know he's going to run, okay? And JD, I don't know, you know, we're going to be thinking about, maybe I've got to spend time with the kids. Everyone's bullshitting, saying all this stuff. They have to run. There's no way these guys are not running. You've got to run.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:26)
You reach for the ring.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:27)
So, let me ask you, you know, is it fair to say that you and Ben are 90% on the same page politically, ideology-wise?

**SPEAKER_2** (0:35)
Yeah, there's probably no one in public life with whom I agree more on politics than Ben.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:39)
Okay, perfect. So let's leave it at that. So, if that's the case, would you trust a JD for 2028?

**SPEAKER_2** (0:48)
Not today.
I'm not saying that I can't support JD in 2028 JD places politics incredibly close. JD is a very peculiar figure in our politics, in that we don't really know exactly what he thinks about some of the most important issues happening, not just like abstract ideological issues, but what he actually thinks about real-world things that are happening in real time right now. And what does JD really think about the president's actions in Iran? Just as one example, I don't know. I can make a case both ways and I can point you to some evidence both ways.
I think JD has played it too close and lost the trust of a lot of people who he will need in order to win. Not too late to recover that. You're going to have to give people some visibility into what you think, and it's going to have to be the things that they need it to be. I think that JD is too online. I think he's so perpetually on X that he sometimes misreads where the movement actually is. As so many people did say in the Massey primary.
Now, it may very well be that online is a leading indicator. I don't take from Massey's loss that Twitter isn't real life. I more take from Massey's loss that Twitter isn't real life yet. And obviously, influence takes time to actually materialize. But I think the Vice President is too perpetually online. I think he's played his politics too close and lost people whom he needs. And I think his relationship with Tucker is a massive problem for him. I don't begrudge him not turning on a friend. Friendship is an incredibly important thing.
I think that JD owes a lot of his political career to Tucker making early investments in him. I think he probably likes Tucker on a personal level. I think it's a good thing not to lightly turn on your friends. But Tucker's at war with your actual administration at this point. If you're still advocating for Tucker instead of defending the administration against the charges of someone like Tucker, then you're misreading the job, in my opinion.
Can JD win? I don't think JD can win today. But the election isn't today. Will JD be able to win by 2028? Yeah, he can. It's a lot of time in politics for course correction and showing us who he rea... It's going to come down to JD has to show us who he really is and who he really is has to be able to keep together the Trump coalition or build a different coalition that's capable of victory. Right now, I don't think he's on a track to do that. I think Marco is far more likely to keep the Trump coalition together today.

**SPEAKER_1** (3:27)
How will they attack Marco? So think like the, let's be the devil's advocate. How do you attack Marco?

**SPEAKER_2** (3:33)
What you're going to say of Marco is that he's a liberal.
What you're going to say about Marco, and you're going to say that because you want to set JD up as the real true voice of dissident right-wing conservatism. I don't think it sticks, though, because Rubio's tenure as Secretary of State has been so masculine, has been so strong. Also, some things just come down to like, you like, you know, just like. Hugh Holm, part of the most storied baseball franchise in the country, so you know that at the at the end of the day, there's like a.
Man, I lost that thought. Baseball and Rubio was a pretty good thought. Anytime you're talking about a Cuban guy.