Palantir CEO Alex Karp on Tokenmaxxing & Taste

**John Coogan** (0:00)
Yeah, yeah, get in here, Clarence, this is good. Okay, how is it going? How is AOPCon this time around?

**Alex Karp** (0:06)
What's changed?
Well, we're in a phase. Each one of these things marks a time. First of all, you guys are even more baller, more successful. Thank you, thank you. Some tendies in your pocket. I think it might have been in part to you. We gotta say thank you. You know, it's like, you blew us up. You're one of the biggest guests. You're looking bigger and stronger or something. Hey, are you more attractive in your personal life now, randomly?

**John Coogan** (0:27)
Well, here's what we're actually focused on, dead hangs. So you came on last time, you said your dead hang's around like five.

**Alex Karp** (0:33)
Oh, no. Well, it's plateaued in the last call, once at 530

**John Coogan** (0:37)
530? OK, so we, the thing is, people are going to hear that. They're going to think, hanging on a bar, how hard it could be. You got to go and do it. The audience has to go try to do it. We've started doing it. We're still in the, we're still in between, yeah, between, somewhere around a minute and 30, you feel like your tendons are going to rip.

**Alex Karp** (0:55)
A 30, a 130 dead hang is respectable. Two minutes is super elite.

**John Coogan** (1:01)
It doesn't feel respectable when you have the five minute number you're looking at the time.

**Alex Karp** (1:05)
Strength, strength matters. Now, the thing is, I don't want to go into rabbit hole and training, the single biggest mistake people make is they try to hang every day. You need recovery. It's like anything else. So if you want to mimic and get progress, you just do what I do, which is once a week, you hang as long as you can. It doesn't have to be super macho. And then that's your day. So like to say you can do 130

**John Coogan** (1:27)
But multiple sets?

**Alex Karp** (1:28)
No, no, you know, one day a week, you do your maximum.

**John Coogan** (1:30)
Max.

**Alex Karp** (1:31)
So like, let's say you could do two minutes. You try to do at least 130 You fight to get to 130, but you don't fight to get to two minutes. That's your dead hang day. And then you can basically fuck around the next day, we'll do whatever you want. Don't overdo it, but you could do two times one minute with a long break. And then can you just go around, do less and less and less, two days before, if you have two minute dead hang, you do like four times 15 seconds, the day before you take off.
And you do that, just keep doing that. And the mistake people make is they hear my ball or time.

**John Coogan** (2:02)
They gotta come for the crown.

**Alex Karp** (2:03)
Fuck that guy.

**John Coogan** (2:05)
I mean, the mistake you're making is not doing a course. This could be a whole new revenue line. This could be a whole new revenue line at Palantir.

**Alex Karp** (2:11)
You guys have it more for you guys.

**John Coogan** (2:13)
You could be like, hey, call in.

**Alex Karp** (2:15)
The car is so, yeah. I mean, the dead hang is it's like, and also some of it's genetic. Like my other metrics are elite, but that this is somehow alien territory. God given gift.

**John Coogan** (2:26)
What about, what about breath hold under water?

**Alex Karp** (2:28)
I don't do that.

**John Coogan** (2:29)
Okay.

**Alex Karp** (2:29)
And I'm not sure I have it. Like I grew up swimming and I think I'm weaker at that. Like I bet you I'd be in your guys.
I'm a dive master. I can hold my breath for three minutes. And I'm just saying, I'm just, yeah. So I think, I think you'd be crushing me on that. But you have like the learning capacity of a whale. I mean, like, you got like, if I'm not moving, I'm not using any oxygen. It's like, you're like, you're like a, like a, like a whale floating out there under the ocean, waiting to surface. So I say, I'll tell you the difference. And it is, I got, they're always minding me out there, but like, okay, when we first met, it was like AI, it may be real, okay? Then I would say somehow until about two weeks ago, there was like a, holy fuck, this is real, but somehow it's not working, but we're not allowed to say it publicly because we'll look stupid. And then there's a lot of investor hype. There still is like investors printing tendies. So you have the investors on one side, I think people realize it's real, but you know, it's like, you know, you have the whole token maxing and people are on onto that. And then so there's a whole value lecture there.