Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it | E2328

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
Open Source is going to win it all. Acme litigators and Delta litigators are both using Harvey, let's say. Harvey now is like, not only do we not trust OpenAI with this, we need to have our own model. Harvey was probably spending, if I had to guess, I'm gonna say 10 million a month with OpenAI.
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**Jason Calacanis** (1:07)
All right, everybody, welcome back to This Week in Startups, Roy J. Kaili with Lon Harris, episode 20 How is that even possible? It's like year 17 of the show.

**Lon Harris** (1:17)
We're in sci-fi year numbers now. We're in sci-fi year numbers. It's getting crazy.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:22)
It just literally like, yeah, it feels like this is Blade Runner or something like that. And it's appropriate, given how great these bots are doing. I just want to start the show off. You started playing with Grok Bot.

**Lon Harris** (1:33)
I owe Elon $200 now. I gotta pay. He's making me pony up.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:37)
Yeah, do it. You can sign up for a corporate account with the $200.

**Lon Harris** (1:40)
I'm gonna do it.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:41)
Yeah, give us your explanation and what you're using it for, and then I'll tell you what I'm using it for.

**Lon Harris** (1:46)
To me, it feels like when OpenClaw was brand new and you had us all sign up and we were all in Slack, it was what the promise of that was, but OpenClaw in a virtual machine and some data center somewhere, it couldn't connect to everything it needed to connect to. It was too walled off. So it wasn't really that useful. You kept having to remind it things and log it in, this API key that Grok Bot is automatic. You just tell it what you want. It can find whatever. It's got its own computer. Just today, I asked it to look at the news and cross-reference it to X, which is a thing I always wanted and gaffed my old open-claw assistant to do. But he couldn't ever get into X reliably. He would try to backdoor and it would never work. It was always very time-consuming and painful. Grok Bot just is like, hey, here, I'm going to bring up my computer. It actually shows you what it's seeing. It goes, just log in to X for me. I logged in through our This Week in AI account, and it's just off to the right. It sees everything I could see. It's logged in. It's pulling tweets. It's referencing things. It's very intuitive. You just need to tell it in plain language what you want. It's very impressive.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:54)
Yeah, the interface is really interesting. I'll just share mine. Who cares?

**Lon Harris** (2:59)
Let's see your Grok Bot. Show us your Grok Bot.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:01)
Well, here's my Grok Bot and what I'm doing. So we have a thing, Tactical and Practical. If you make it rhyme, people will remember it. So I want to do more Tactical and Practical talks here on the show. And I've been just having a conversation with it, looking for you to make talks. And the startup founders focused on Tactical and Practical advice for them to scale their businesses, find product market fit and generally grow, hiring, sales, paid marketing, fundraising, content marketing, all that good stuff. And it just went to work finding these things and linking to them and building it out, building it out. And then I said, hey, well, give me other ideas for topics and then send it to the Tactical Practical room on Slack every 48 hours and then ask Ismael and my team, who's in Tokyo right now, representing us for Founder University, and I want him to be part of this motion.
And then I said, also, when you find a great speaker, I want you to give me their X account and LinkedIn accounts for the report. And then I said, please always send a Google Sheet, yada, yada, yada. Like you said, you easily connect it.