**Patrick** (0:00)
What do you think about what happened to Henry Nowak?
**Mehdi Hasan** (0:02)
Who is Henry Nowak?
**Patrick** (0:04)
You don't know who Henry Nowak is?
**Mehdi Hasan** (0:05)
I will if you remind me.
**Patrick** (0:06)
Can you pull it up Rob? Henry Nowak, this is the guy in Southampton, England, last year, December 3rd, 2025, 18 year old kid is going home, murdered by Vikram Digwa. The video just came out.
The Vikram guy stabs Henry Nowak. That's the problem, Mehdi is not even talking about this. Stabs Henry Nowak, I don't know how many times.
Cut and stabbed Nowak a total of five times with a knife. When police arrived, Digwa accused Nowak of assault and officers handcuffed Nowak. He died shortly after being handcuffed. The video came out, I think yesterday, Rob, if you want to pull it up. And it showed the guy can't breathe. He's having a hard time breathing. He's telling the cops, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. All of a sudden he dies. And they said, no, you said some racist comments. Rob, I send the video to you in the notes, if you go to it.
**Mehdi Hasan** (0:58)
So what's the point of that?
**Patrick** (1:00)
But I'm gonna say, what's the point of it? No, no.
**Mehdi Hasan** (1:02)
It's horrible.
**Patrick** (1:02)
No, but because the cops cited with Digwa, they said Digwa told them that he made racist comments. And with the guy saying, I was stabbed by these guys, he's running away, they caught him. The guy had an eight inch knife, that's typical the Sikh, what do you call it? The ceremonial knife that they have. You know which one I'm talking about.
**Mehdi Hasan** (1:23)
Which now they wanna ban. I did see British politicians say they wanna ban it, and I didn't realize the context, this is the context.
**Patrick** (1:28)
And this is the context, and they said they wanted to ban it. Keir Starmer came out today and said, no, we're not gonna ban it, but you know what you can't have in England? You know what you can't have in England? You can't even have pepper spray.
Pepper spray has not been legal since 68, but they can have that knife. How does that make any sense? So for me, you and I can cherry pick stories on both sides to create rage on why this or that, but the stats are the stats. So when you're saying that story about America and UK, you hear a story like this, where is the rage with this?
**Mehdi Hasan** (1:54)
That's not even a free-speed story. We were talking about free-speed. You brought up stats about social media arrests, and I'm saying to you, right now in the US, you can be arrested by this government, detained for a year without charge because you said something the government doesn't like, about Israel, by the way, about a foreign country. It's not even about the American government. You're not even criticizing the American government. You're criticizing a foreign government.
**Patrick** (2:12)
I'm gonna go look it up, and I'll give you my response to you personally.
**Mehdi Hasan** (2:15)
Have them on your show. Have Mohsen Madhavi on your show. Have Badr Khan Suri, who's in court right now on your show, Georgetown student. These guys were picked up off the streets by masked men, unmarked cars.
**Patrick** (2:26)
Do these people love America?
**Mehdi Hasan** (2:27)
Yes.
**Patrick** (2:28)
They love America. I don't know, are they planning on staying here or going back home?
**Mehdi Hasan** (2:31)
Yeah, Mahmoud Khalil is married, he has a kid, he had a kid while he was in prison. Donald Trump, the family values party, the Republican Party didn't let this guy be with his wife when she gave birth, didn't let him hold his baby.
**Patrick** (2:39)
What do you say about Henry Nowak, what I just showed you?
**Mehdi Hasan** (2:41)
I think that's horrific.
**Patrick** (2:42)
That's UK.
**Mehdi Hasan** (2:42)
I think that's horrific. But this is the part that kind of- I don't know the details, but obviously the police got it wrong.
**Patrick** (2:46)
This is the part that kind of, so you represented the media on the left, okay? So, Rob, can you go back to that story that New York Times, if you search the two different words of George Floyd versus what happened with Nowak, Nowak, you just had it up right now a minute ago.
**Mehdi Hasan** (3:03)
Oh, come on. You're going to do this?
**Patrick** (3:04)
No, he's going to be fine.
**Mehdi Hasan** (3:05)
The media is-
**Patrick** (3:06)
But wait a minute. This is New York Times. Go to the first one.
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