Mythos, Sonnet 5, GLM-5.2 Dominate the News Cycle | Episode 20

**Alex** (0:00)
Hey, everybody, welcome back to This Week in AI. My name is Alex, and we are coming to you during one of the most fascinating and chaotic periods of AI that we've seen yet. Anthropic Stable Model is still banned, the world is going gaga over ZAI's GLM 5.2, a food delivery company just open sourced a near frontier AI model, and everyone is trying to use as much AI as they can without losing their hope. To help us make sense of the state of play, I've gathered some of the brightest minds from the world of AI.

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**Alex** (0:39)
In one corner, we have Victor Perez, the CEO of Krea AI. Victor, welcome to the show.

**Victor Perez** (0:44)
Thanks for having me.

**Alex** (0:45)
My absolute pleasure. We also have Div Garg, the CEO of AGI Inc, a very modestly named company, Div.

**Div Garg** (0:51)
Thanks. Good to be here.

**Alex** (0:53)
Then we have Andrew Berman, the CEO of Runlayer. Andrew, how you been?

**Andrew Berman** (0:57)
I've been good. Thanks, Alex.

**Alex** (0:58)
Yeah, I'm really glad you guys are here because I feel like we went through a period of slow news and then everything seemed to have gone crazy in the last couple of weeks. Glad we're going to kind of get to the bottom of it.
The thing that I want to start with, because I think we can't avoid discussing this as a group, is that after forcing the removal of Anthrobics, Mythos 5 and Paypal 5 for a bit, the US government forced OpenAI to hold back GPT 5.6's release, which I thought was very disappointing. And it's even deciding which customers can get access, which means maybe startups can't. So I'm curious, Andrew, I want to start with you. Is the US AI policy reasonable and legible at this point, or am I incorrect in viewing it as insane?

**Andrew Berman** (1:34)
I think you're not incorrect in viewing it as insane. I think basically what we're doing is we're giving China and other actors the ability to encroach on US technological supremacy.
I think open source models are being distilled from our world class models. And I think we should be pushing ahead as fast as possible, and we should be the dominant player in AI globally.

**Alex** (1:59)
Does anyone have a disagreement with that before I get more specific? But I want to make sure that Victor and Div can jump in if they want.

**Div Garg** (2:04)
Yeah, I agree with this angle. There's definitely a risk around, I would say, cybersecurity, which may be prompted like the initial fable or mythos like suspension.
But I think it's kind of like overblown to some extent. It's like this things will happen and we can't really stop this AI models to become better and better. Because like China is in the race and they will figure this out if they don't.

**Alex** (2:26)
I'm just surprised at how quickly we went from, it's all free range to absolutely nothing. And there's a lot of talk about how maybe mythos was overblown or overhyped. But it seems to be still treated as this essentially cyber weapon. So maybe this is just our new reality. But Victor, Krea has done some training of its own models. Now not in the cybersecurity space, not even in the coding space, in the creative space.
I'm just curious, do you think that government regulation and AI in general is going to eventually get down to your domain as well? Pretty far away for now, but directionally, is that where we're going?

**Victor Perez** (2:58)
I think that the the image and creative domain itself, it has its own, it has its own specific risks. I don't think that the risks that it comes to are as heavy as cybersecurity threats, which as far as I know, is like the main point behind this blockage from these new models.
In our case, the most dangerous things that folks are doing with the models are NSFW type images, CSAM type images, which of course are illegal. And this is like the main topic that we fight against when running safety on top of these models. And on the other side, there's like impersonating people, like recreation of public figures, stuff like that, which I don't think that the US government cares much as potentially having China running massive cyber attacks versus US companies.

**Alex** (3:53)
It's funny, though, how we were talking about IP as a major sticking point in AI and that being a thing to regulate or not. And now I feel like it's entirely fallen by the wayside. So does that mean that people working on building models in the creative space have, I don't know, a couple of years of air cover here?