Most Shared Clip: Former Mafia Boss EXPOSES How The Real MAFIA KILLS People...

Michael Franzese (0:00)

My dad was involved in 30, 35 murders. Now, he never admitted that to me, about anyone in particular. He was indicted for one murder, and he was acquitted in that case, found not guilty. But my dad was, he was a tough guy. There's no question. So.

Steven Bartlett (0:17)

If he was involved in 35 murders, as the FBI suggests, do you think he was better off behind bars? What I'm getting at here really is if they framed him, was it a net benefit to society that they framed him?

Michael Franzese (0:33)

Well, you know, Steve, let me, I know there's going to be a tough one, but let me let me tell you how I think.

The right and just side of me, the legally just side of me, says that the government is never allowed to break the law, to uphold the law, because if you allow that to happen, then it falls into monarchy and people are not protected. Because if they do it against sunny franzes, they can do it against anybody. So I believe strictly the government has enough tools and weapons to get people the right way. And they do 96, 97% of the time, they shouldn't be allowed to violate the law, to go after a criminal. That's my my feeling on it. Now another thing is this. People think when we take an oath, the oath of emerita, it's an oath to stay silent. It's not an oath to lie, steal, cheat and kill. Does that happen as part of that light? Yes. But we're told straight out. Now try to understand the thinking here. You come into that life, you're told straight out. We have rules. You don't ever violate another man's wife, daughter, sister, girl, never. That'll cause you to die. During my era, we weren't allowed to deal with drugs. You deal with drugs, you get caught, you die. You maybe do some other things, you're not honest with people, you disrespect somebody, you hit another made guy, you die. Now, we understand that. And they tell you, your best friend may be the one that pulls the trigger because the life comes before anything. That's it. You don't violate the rules. That's how we maintain control in this life. That's how we existed for a hundred years. And that's how it's going to stay. So now you're saying, OK, we all agreed to this. We all admitted it. If one of us decides to violate the policy of the law and we get caught, well, we understand the consequences. So that's how I looked at it. And that's how I justified it. Now, does that say you can go out and start to do random killings? No. If the boss tells you to go kill somebody because he doesn't like them and you do it, that's not right. But if we kill our own, and you know, you hear a lot of times, well, we only kill our own. Well, we don't only kill our own. But if we only kill our own, knowing that we made that choice, well, then, okay. I kind of get it in a way, even though murder is murder and it's a crime and it's sinful and I understand that. But that's how you justify it.

Steven Bartlett (3:04)

But it wasn't the case that you only killed your own?

Michael Franzese (3:07)

Well, for some of us, it was, and for others, it was not. And I've seen both sides of that.

Steven Bartlett (3:13)

You've never talked about having to kill someone, have you?

Michael Franzese (3:18)

No.

Steven Bartlett (3:19)

Why is that?

Michael Franzese (3:23)

It's just not a subject I care to get into, you know? Listen, I like to be as honest as I possibly can because I am a Christian and you don't want to lie to people. But it's not something I want to talk about.

Steven Bartlett (3:42)

I was wondering, because when I read that, I thought maybe it's because, you know, there's something might be legal retribution. Maybe it's because, you know, it's not nice for people to hear about. Maybe it's because there's still some kind of like rule where you can't say anything. But I wondered why. Maybe it's all of the above. I don't know.

Michael Franzese (3:59)

Well, you know, Steve, look, there's guys, there's a lot of guys on the street now. And if you go on YouTube, you'll see a number of them. And they've admitted to murders that they were involved in. These are made guys. And they've admitted to it. And many of them had struck a deal with the government. They had immunity for the crimes they committed, even murder. I mean, the government give you immunity for murder if you want to, if they want you to cooperate and help them out. It's amazing, but they'll do it. And so they have immunity. They could talk about their crimes. I didn't cooperate to that level at all. I don't have immunity for anything that I've done in the past. You know? And listen, you know, our laws here in the United States, if you were standing next to somebody when they murdered somebody else, you're there, you could be charged for murder the same way that them.