Most Replayed Moment: Mo Gawdat - This Is The Only Thing That Will Survive AI, We Must Act Now!

Steven Bartlett (0:00)

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That's gartner.com/symposium. And enjoy this moment with Mo Gawdat, former CBO of Google X, talking about the possibility of AI replacing humans in the workforce. So the first inevitable, just to clarify, is what is, will we stop?

Mo Gawdat (0:53)

AI will not be stopped.

Steven Bartlett (0:54)

Okay, so the second inevitable is?

Mo Gawdat (0:56)

Is they'll be significantly smarter. As much in the book, I predict a billion times smarter than us by 2045

Steven Bartlett (1:02)

I mean, they're already, what? Smarter than 99.99% of the population. ChatGTP4 knows more than any human on planet Earth. Knows more information.

Mo Gawdat (1:11)

Absolutely, a thousand times more. A thousand times more. By the way, the code of a transformer, the T in a GPT, is 2,000 lines long.

It's not very complex. It's actually not a very intelligent machine. It's simply predicting the next word. Okay? And a lot of people don't understand that. You know, ChatGPT as it is today, you know those kids that, you know, if you're in America and you teach your child all of the names of the states and the US presidents and the child would stand and repeat them and you would go like, oh my god, that's a prodigy. Not really, right? It's your parents really trying to make you look like a prodigy by telling you to memorize some crap really. But then when you think about it, that's what ChatGPT is doing. It's the only difference is instead of reading all of the names of the states and all of the names of the presidents, thread trillions and trillions and trillions of pages. Okay? And so it sort of repeats what the best of all humans said. Okay? And then it adds an incredible bit of intelligence where it can repeat it the same way Shakespeare would have said it. You know, those incredible abilities of predicting the exact nuances of the style of Shakespeare so that they can repeat it that way and so on. But still, you know, when I write, for example, I'm not saying I'm intelligent, but when I write something like the happiness equation in my first book, this was something that's never been written before, right? Chad GPT is not there yet. All of the Transformers are not there yet. They will not come up with something that hasn't been there before. They will come up with the best of everything and generatively will build a little bit on top of that. But very soon, they'll come up with things we've never found out, we've never known.

Steven Bartlett (3:08)

But even on that, I wonder if we are a little bit delusioned about what creativity actually is. Creativity, as far as I'm concerned, is like taking a few things that I know and combining them in new and interesting ways. And ChadGTP is perfectly capable of taking two concepts, merging them together. One of the things I said to ChadGTP was, I said, tell me something that's not been said before that's paradoxical but true. And it comes up with these wonderful expressions like, as soon as you call off the search, you'll find the thing you're looking for. Like these kind of paradoxical truths. And I then take them and I search them online to see if they've ever been quoted before, and I can't find them.

Mo Gawdat (3:50)

Interesting.

Steven Bartlett (3:51)

So as far as creativity goes, I'm like, that is creative.

Mo Gawdat (3:53)

That's the algorithm of creativity. I've been screaming that in the world of AI for a very long time, because you always get those people who really just want to be proven right.

And so they'll say, oh no, but hold on, human ingenuity, they'll never match that. Like, man, please, please. Human ingenuity is algorithmic. Look at all of the possible solutions you can find to a problem. Take out the ones that have been tried before and keep the ones that haven't been tried before, and those are creative solutions. It's an algorithmic way of describing creative is good solution that's never been tried before. You can do that with ChadGPT with a prompt.