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**Marina Mogilko** (0:56)
So if we need to solve this intelligence problem, do you think universities is the right way? What's going to happen to education in general?
**Mo Gawdat** (1:03)
I think education is over. Completely over.
**Marina Mogilko** (1:07)
Like that said, no need to say.
**Mo Gawdat** (1:09)
Education used to be the technology that enabled learning.
That technology moved from one-to-one relationships between a tutor and a student to one-to-a-few in a church format or a mosque format or whatever. Then it became online. Then it became, right? But the truth is now you're going to outsource. Who remembers the arithmetic tables today? Even I. You do? Yeah? Yeah. All of us who love mathematics, we still remember all of those things. We love to do them. But if I told you 67.4 divided by 33.375, I can do it in my head, but I won't, right? I'll take my calculator out and do it.
And I think that's what's going to happen. That in extension of humanity, you now for the first time are given an extra connection to extra memory, to an archive of all human memory and knowledge, to a math engine that sadly, as much as I hate to say it, is better than me now, okay? To a deep learning and deep search that, you know, that can do things that probably my old brain can not do anymore, okay?
**Marina Mogilko** (2:22)
Again, it just takes away your ability to think.
**Mo Gawdat** (2:25)
But my calculator took away my ability to do those complex arithmetics in my head.
**Marina Mogilko** (2:30)
But don't you think having that ability taught you how to think, like kind of structured your brain, right?
**Mo Gawdat** (2:38)
Correct. This is why I'm very grateful to the university for not allowing us to use a scientific calculator.
**Marina Mogilko** (2:45)
Exactly. That's why I think, do you think?
**Mo Gawdat** (2:47)
But we don't have that. We don't have that for our younger generations today. They are growing with AI, okay? So they can either copy a chat of their girlfriend and drop it in ChatGPT and say, what do you think?
Chat GPT will say, she's an asshole, right? Or they can actually become smarter. So one of the things I keep suggesting in education, and I do that with lots of universities, is I say exams should be over, okay? So think of it this way. We wanted in our past to develop children that could solve problems, say, with an IQ of 140 140 is quite good. If you get 170, that's amazing.
I worked with people who are in the 200s. Incredible intelligence, but very narrow focused. I think we should, from now on, take people and their AIs and say the target is 300, the target is 500, the target is 700 Elevate humanity, okay, by allowing people to use those machines as an extension of their limited memory, of their limited processing speed, of their limited bandwidth, okay? And allow them to write books better, to do research better. So I woke up, literally, I'm not kidding you, three Sundays ago with an idea that is just taking me over. So I decided to write, but this time I decided to write in a different format. I decided my books are gonna be 140 pages long instead of 300 pages long. And I'm writing it in four weeks. That's a very, I couldn't have, and I'm actually literally 20 pages away from the end of the book.
And the reason why is because I still write 10 hours a day when I'm highly motivated. But damn, the amount of research and references and comparative analysis and number crunching.
And remember, I'm not gullible. I don't go to the AI and say, what do you think of this? I go and say, I'm thinking of this, find me everything for and against. Okay, give me a report that I can read in. I love that problem. Yeah, everything for and against. And now I'm smarter. And then I rewrite it and give it to another AI.
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