Moloch, Mormons, and Mike Lee
Data Over Dogma
June 22, 2026
Senator Mike Lee keeps accusing his opponents of sacrificing children to Moloch, so this week we ask who — or what — Moloch actually was, why abortion and child sacrifice are not the same thing, and the uncomfortable places child sacrifice really does turn up in the Hebrew Bible.
Speakers Dan McClellan, Dan Beecher
TopicsSociety & CultureHistory
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SPEAKER_1 (0:58)
It's Poetry in Motion!
Dan McClellan (1:02)
None of these people have, you know, rubbed a piece of paper on a Mormon and said, Ha! It turned pink, not a Christian.
Dan Beecher (1:10)
What if they weigh the same as a duck?
Dan McClellan (1:13)
Then they're a witch.
Dan Beecher (1:14)
Oh, OK. Oh, that's not a Christian thing. That's a witch thing, right?
Dan McClellan (1:18)
There's overlap.
SPEAKER_1 (1:19)
Now, don't get me wrong, there's overlap.
Dan McClellan (1:27)
Hey, everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.
Dan Beecher (1:29)
And I'm Dan Beecher.
Dan McClellan (1:30)
This is Data Over Dogma, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?
Dan Beecher (1:41)
Things are good for me, not as good as, you know, people who get to Gallivant off to Rome or whatever, but I'm doing great.
Dan McClellan (1:49)
Look, I put in the work, okay?
Dan Beecher (1:53)
Yeah, I know. I need to, well, I need to put in more work, I guess. Although when I go to Rome, I get to like, just do whatever I want.
Dan McClellan (2:02)
Yeah, you're there for fun. That's what I mean by I put in the work.
I get home and people are like, how was your vacation? And I was like, it's not a vacation. What? I was working. Yes, I got to have dinner at lovely restaurants and got to have some of the best carbonara I've ever had, but it was work, damn it. So.
Dan Beecher (2:24)
Well, let's do it. We have more work to do, unfortunately, and that is going to be we got we got a couple of fun things to talk about. It is an all Mike Lee day to day. And I hope that doesn't make everyone turn off their their pod blasters, because we but yes, both of our segments are inspired by that storied senator from the great state of Utah.
Mike Lee, who you and I, I think it's fair to say, not big fans, not big fans.
Dan McClellan (3:01)
And and to my to my amusements, Mike Lee is also not a big fan of mine. He has blocked me on Twitter.
Dan Beecher (3:09)
So so so you can't you can't tag him in this. But you know who can? Everybody else, everybody else.
SPEAKER_2 (3:17)
So Mike Lee is based on my base.
Dan Beecher (3:20)
Oh, my gosh. It's so gross. Mike, you're so gross. He's so he's a gross human. We don't like to, you know, we're not afraid to get dip our toes in the political sphere. But that's not what we're talking about. No, he has he has wandered into our sphere. So so we're going to we're going to take that as jumping off point. The first thing we're going to do is a twisted scripture because Mike Lee will not stop comparing people, saying that people are sacrificing things to Moloch.
So we're going to we're going to get into that. We're going to figure out who slash what Moloch is, or if Moloch it was is whatever. And what we'll try to sort of discern whatever the heck Brother Lee is trying to say with all of that nonsense. And then we're going to talk about the fact that the US government decided to not to decided that Mormonism, which is Mike Lee's religion, is it's not a Christian, a Christian religion. Yes. So we're going to talk about that in the second half of the show. That'll be our taking issue. And we'll talk about what makes a Christian. What is Christian? What is this Christian you speak of?
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