Modest is Hottest?

SPEAKER_1 (0:00)

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Daniel Beecher (0:29)

I mean, in fairness to Ham, there were like seven people left in the whole world. So, like, you know, there's not many people that can satisfy whatever sexy feelings you're having.

But still, your dad or your mom is probably the wrong choice.

Daniel McClellan (0:49)

Hey everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.

Daniel Beecher (0:51)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Daniel McClellan (0:52)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion and combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things, Dan?

Daniel Beecher (1:05)

Things are good. It's finally actually like kind of looking like winter here in Salt Lake City.

There was a little bit of snow this morning and it's coldish.

Daniel McClellan (1:15)

Yeah.

Daniel Beecher (1:15)

Global warming's failing us again.

Daniel McClellan (1:19)

My dogs are, they don't like the snow.

Daniel Beecher (1:22)

Oh really?

Daniel McClellan (1:23)

Yeah. Well, the older one is kind of like, don't make me go outside and then I don't like doing it. And then the puppy is just like, brrrr.

But is, you know, kind of confused about what's going on.

Daniel Beecher (1:37)

The first dog I ever had, the first day that he saw snow, he bolted, like I've never seen him bolt. He ran out the door, and down the street, like into neighbor's yards. I've never, he had never done this before. He was just so excited about snow. And from then on, like, if we were shoveling, he wanted to be out there, and he wanted us to shovel the snow onto him.

Like he just, anything involving snow, he wanted us to throw it at him. He wanted, he just always wanted to be, loved the snow.

Daniel McClellan (2:09)

He was a snowman, huh?

Daniel Beecher (2:10)

He was, he was indeed. Well, hey, there's a whole show that we're going to be doing. We're going to, we're going to do a chapter and verse to start us off. And then we're going to do a, we're going to dive into a new segment that we're calling Your Patriarchy and You. So that'll be a lot of fun.

And we're going to, we're going to have a great time with it. So let's, let's launch into chapter and verse.

Daniel McClellan (2:43)

And our chapter and verse today comes courtesy of the book of Genesis. We're in chapter nine, and we're talking about verses 18 through 27

Daniel Beecher (2:52)

I hear there are a lot of answers in Genesis. I hear that it has all of the answers that we need.

Daniel McClellan (2:59)

There can be.

This is an interesting story though that I think catches a lot of people off guard. If they're reading through Genesis and they get through the primeval history, they're like, what the hell was that?

Daniel Beecher (3:10)

Yeah, I will say, the first time I encountered this story, this is about Noah.

I thought I knew the Noah story. I got through the whole floody thing, and then I got to this, and it's only a few verses. It's not long. You could miss it if you were drowsy.

But I wasn't drowsy, and I went, I went, blah. And I re-read it, and I thought maybe I had read it wrong. And I was utterly baffled by what happened here. So I'm very glad that we get to talk about this, because I think a lot of people could use some Dan guidance on this one, and not me, you, Dan.

Daniel McClellan (3:59)

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and read it, and I'm gonna read from the new Revised Standard Version, and then talk a little bit about some of the issues that we have and how we go about interpreting this, because there are some oddities here, and I'm gonna suggest that we're probably not getting the story as it was originally told. We've got some theories about how it may have looked originally, but I'll go ahead and read.

Daniel Beecher (4:21)

Okay, I might stop you as we go on, just because of those two things.

Daniel McClellan (4:25)

Yeah, yeah, feel free to.