Mira Murati's 975B Open Model, Ramin Hasani on Post-Transformer AI, and Demis' AI FINRA | EP #271

**Peter Diamandis** (0:00)
Mira Murati, the former Open AI CTO, just shipped her first model. It's called Inkling. Customization over leaderboard dominance is what's going to win her the day.

**Salim Ismail** (0:11)
She's built exactly the thing hitting the market that exactly what everybody needs right now.

**Peter Diamandis** (0:16)
I want to pivot to a discussion of Liquid AI, the small language models, what they are, what they mean.

**Ramin Hasani** (0:22)
Our mission has always been building efficient general purpose AI at every scale. That explores the computational graphs of intelligence beyond Transformer and then figure out what should be that architectural design that brings the same level of intelligence than a frontier model into, let's say, on a CPU.

**Peter Diamandis** (0:42)
CEOs building the most powerful technology in the world are asking to be regulated. Demis Hesab, CEO of DeepMind, he called for a US led frontier AI standards body modeled on FINRA. When the incumbents ask for the rules and they set the standards, they set up a barrier for all the entry level labs coming in.

**Salim Ismail** (1:02)
Let's just be real, AI moves way, way too fast for any kind of traditional bureaucracy. How quickly can you do this is going to be a huge, huge challenge because.

**Dave Blundin** (1:13)
Now, that's the Moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:18)
All right, everybody, welcome to Moonshots, your number one podcast in all things AI, your front row seat to the Singularity. I'm here with my magnificent Moonshot mates, our original quartet, AWG, DB2 and Salim, and a special guest, Ramin Hasani, co-founder and CEO of Liquid AI, and a pioneer in small language models, which we'll dive into. Ramin, welcome. Where are you this morning, pal?

**Ramin Hasani** (1:43)
Thanks so much for having me. I'm actually in Spain right now.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:46)
In Spain, all right.

**Dave Blundin** (1:48)
Nothing going on in Spain this week.

**Salim Ismail** (1:50)
God damn it.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:52)
Yes.

**Salim Ismail** (1:53)
I'm struggling from yesterday because I'm a long suffering England supporter. It was a very difficult game to watch. God, they were like just had it with six minutes to go and they blew it.

**Peter Diamandis** (2:03)
Yeah.

**Salim Ismail** (2:04)
And Messi is a genius.

**Peter Diamandis** (2:06)
That's the round ball, right?

**Salim Ismail** (2:08)
That's the round ball.

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (2:09)
Now, Peter, this is where the Falklands war gets re-litigated on a soccer pitch.

**Peter Diamandis** (2:13)
Oh, God.
I just flew in last night from Zurich and I had the most painful experience. I don't know why every airline doesn't have Starlink. I'm suffering on some meager thin pipe connection and you're flying over the poles over the Northern territories and there's nothing. I'm trying to get ready for this pod. I was like, please give me some bits. So anyway, challenge.

**Dave Blundin** (2:40)
Ramin, you must have grown up on soccer, right? Didn't you? You were in Vienna for a while and getting your PhD or your undergrad or whatever it was.

**Ramin Hasani** (2:48)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, soccer has been like a big thing, you know. I'm Persian and Austrian, like at the same time, you know, like it's a big thing for us.
So, yeah, competition is something that, you know, it's extremely core to what we do even today, you know. So and I feel like that's like one of the main drivers, like sports and everything like has been part of our lives, like from day one and then getting into science. The same thing, you know, now getting into ventures, same things, you know.
And that's what we're doing.

**Dave Blundin** (3:18)
Just compete, compete, compete, compete. I love it.

**Peter Diamandis** (3:20)
Well, are you there for a little bit of time or are you coming back soon?

**Ramin Hasani** (3:23)
No, I'm coming. I'm flying tomorrow, actually back to San Francisco.

**Peter Diamandis** (3:27)
And Salim, are you jealous of everybody of him being in Europe or are you happy to be home?

**Salim Ismail** (3:32)
No, no. I have three weeks bouncing around in 10 different spots. I'm very happy to be home right now. I was just in Spain, Ramin, myself.

**Ramin Hasani** (3:40)
There was a lot going on, actually, like in Europe, so that's the same like you, 10 different places.

**Peter Diamandis** (3:48)
You know, Alex and I were just reminiscing the fact that Europe's sort of major advantage in the future is it's going to be a museum of the way the world used to be.
Ouch. But it is beautiful. There's no question. It is gorgeous. I want to jump into our first conversation. We have a lot to unpack here, and of course, our mission is keeping you aware of what's going on in the world and giving you sort of the optimistic, hopeful vision of the future.