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**John Coogan** (0:00)
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**Jordi Hays** (0:02)
Today's Friday, June 26th, 2026
We are live from the TBPN Altarome, the Temple of Technology, the Fortress of Finance, the Capital of Capital. Let me tell you about ramp.com. Time is money, save dollars. Easy use, corporate cards, bill pay, accounting and a whole lot more all in one place. And now they got two CEOs. You want to partner with a company that just has one CEO? No way, get out of here. You want to go with a company that has two. Kareem promoted a very fun development in the ramp story.

**John Coogan** (0:31)
Yeah, I was thinking about it. We've obviously had tons of conversations with the ramp team over the years, and it's actually always been 50-50, Kareem, Eric.
And so very natural move for them.

**Jordi Hays** (0:44)
I mean, they've been working together for over a decade at this point across multiple companies and both founders and both major shareholders.

**John Coogan** (0:52)
We're like following in our footsteps.

**Jordi Hays** (0:56)
Yeah, yeah, this is the TBPN effect. We get to take credit for this.

**John Coogan** (0:59)
Yeah, yeah.

**Jordi Hays** (1:00)
Yeah. Congrats to Kareem on the promotion, the field promotion. It's very exciting. And go check out ramp, of course.
We're back.

**John Coogan** (1:08)
Equally important, we're back.

**Jordi Hays** (1:10)
France.

**John Coogan** (1:11)
We miss you guys. We miss you guys a lot.

**Jordi Hays** (1:14)
Yeah, it was rough.

**John Coogan** (1:15)
It's actually, it's genuinely, it's genuinely brutal.

**Jordi Hays** (1:17)
It's brutal.

**John Coogan** (1:18)
We feel deeply unwell by around 1 p.m. if we haven't gone live, regardless of the time zone.

**Jordi Hays** (1:25)
Sweating and shaking is crazy.

**John Coogan** (1:27)
Yeah.

**Jordi Hays** (1:27)
It is a full withdrawal.

**John Coogan** (1:29)
Yeah, and the withdrawals, I mean, maybe it would get better after a few weeks, but yeah, the symptoms are brutal.

**Jordi Hays** (1:35)
Anyway, it was a high stakes trip. Of course, Jordi has battled with French President Emmanuel Macron in the past. And then, what appeared to be a direct shot at me, France recently banned nicotine pouches fully.
Very controversial.

**John Coogan** (1:52)
Pretty much all oral nicotine products banned.

**Jordi Hays** (1:55)
Yeah, so.

**John Coogan** (1:56)
As of April.

**Jordi Hays** (1:57)
Yeah.

**John Coogan** (1:57)
And so we went over there to make amends.
And right away, it felt like they were sending messages straight from the top, because we land in Paris and we have a connecting flight to Nice, where the conference is. And we get in the airport, we're excited to be there. Paris, the sun is shining. Small issue is it's roughly 100 degrees inside the airport.

**Jordi Hays** (2:28)
Coincidence, interesting coincidence. Yeah.

**John Coogan** (2:31)
Right when we show up, then it gets hot. Generational heat wave.

**Jordi Hays** (2:36)
Makes me have some questions.

**John Coogan** (2:37)
Of course, there's no air conditioning, right? It's legitimately 100 degrees. You look around, everyone has their fans out. They're sweating profusely. Really, really messy situation.
Go to a cafe, try to get an iced drink. They're out of ice. The whole airport doesn't have AC or ice in the whole airport. And then we go to get on our flight, and we sit down, and we're waiting, we're waiting. Starting to feel like we're waiting a little bit too long to get off the ground. About 45 minutes in, they come over the intercom and let us know that the air conditioning on the plane is broken, and they're working on fixing it. 30 minutes later, they come over again and they say, we've been unable to get the air conditioning working, we're not going to be able to take off. You have to de-plane.
We felt terrible for all the other passengers, because clearly it was McCrone sabotaging our flight. But for him to inconvenience hundreds of other people.

**Jordi Hays** (3:44)
Shows you how important it is to him.

**John Coogan** (3:45)
Just to get at us. It's just insane. To me, that crossed the line.
Clearly, it's personal. But figure out a way to come at us.

**Jordi Hays** (3:57)
Be a little more targeted.

**John Coogan** (3:57)
Yeah, more targeted.

**Jordi Hays** (3:58)
Exactly. Why does there need to be so much collateral damage?

**John Coogan** (4:00)
Exactly.
And then, of course, on our next flight, we get to the airport planes ready, pilots ready. And they tell us again, like, hey, we're just figuring out some stuff. We're going to take off as soon as we can.
We're bored. We decide, hey, anything, any World Cup games on, we should turn it on and see. So we're sitting there and we're like, whoa, France is actually playing in the World Cup right now. What are the chances? And so we keep kind of checking in with the pilot. And he's like, yeah, we need a little bit more time. We're not really sure why.