Millions of Faxes (ft. Kesava Dinakaran)

**Ed Marx** (0:00)
So if you were to work with an organization, what are some measurable changes that they might expect?

**Kesava Dinakaran** (0:05)
Luminai helps large health systems move their operational overload and operational manual workflows to computers and AI. I encourage, I guess, everybody at Luminai to be unbelievably sort of vulnerable. It's not obviously common in a professional workplace, but it helps everybody see the person as a whole human being. And that just builds an unbelievable amount of trust, and trust builds companies.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:32)
Welcome to DGTL Voices, where health care and life science leaders explore the real work behind transformation. This podcast is about people, leadership, and the conversations that move health care forward. Now your host, Ed Marx.

**Ed Marx** (0:47)
Welcome to another edition of DGTL Voices, another awesome guest. This is such a treat for me, as much as it is for you, my audience, because I'm always learning and love to meet these incredible leaders that are really doing some disruptive things in the industry that we need so bad. And so today I have the CEO from Luminai, and it's Keshav. So Keshav, welcome to DGTL Voices.

**Kesava Dinakaran** (1:14)
Thank you so much for having me. I'm very, very excited to be here.

**Ed Marx** (1:17)
This will be a lot of fun because what you're doing is, I think, something that's terribly needed in health care. And we haven't had too much disruption. We need a lot more, and the technology that you're bringing to bear, I think, is one of those things that's really going to bring big changes about. But before we get there, we met just recently in the past year, and we were both at the same conference. I actually recognized you. I told you this. I recognized you from Vibe, and I recognized like, wow, that guy has great hair.
And then all of a sudden, I was in this conference, and you walked in, and I was like, oh my gosh, I recognize that, I recognize him. So I came up and introduced myself to you. And from there, we just became friends. And I was like, man, I just want to have you on our podcast. So I know you've listened to some before. You know, the very most important question we ask, as much as we're into healthcare disruption, is what songs are on your playlist? What kind of music do you like to listen to?

**Kesava Dinakaran** (2:13)
You know, I'm extremely basic. I have, you know, not very much sophisticated taste, to be very honest. Most of my music, funnily enough, is some combination of pop songs that are translated to violin mixes. So actually at my wedding, we, you know, took DJ Goddess Falling and changed it into a violin. Version and then that was the first dance.
And so it's a way for me to sort of while I'm working, not be distracted by the lyrics, but still, you know, enjoy pop. And so most of what I listen to, funnily enough, is all, you know, pop all the way from, you know, Taylor Swift to, you know, Indian pop music.

**Ed Marx** (3:11)
Yeah, that's cool. What about life message or mantra? Or words that kind of guide you or words that you live by?

**Kesava Dinakaran** (3:17)
The thing that, you know, has, I guess, kept me going today and has brought me here in the first place. And in the end of the day, like, deeply energizes me is, at the end of the day, like, persistence is what is key.
And so, you know, at the end of the day, like, doesn't matter how much you've been punched. Doesn't matter how much success you had keeping on, you know, taking one step after another is what will, you know, get you at the end of the day to your pursuit and destiny. And so, yeah, I'm a big, big fan of realizing at the end of the day, like, repeated, consistent, persistent. Resuit is what leads to, you know, success.

**Ed Marx** (4:00)
Yeah, I like that. And I had the feeling that that theme might reappear later on in our conversation. Keshava, tell us about yourself. Like, who are you? What's your story? You know, tell us about where did you grow up?

**Kesava Dinakaran** (4:11)
Most of my extended family, my grandparents and generations, we were all sort of coconut farmers for several sort of generations. Then my parents moved up to Chennai, which is the city in South India. And so most of my life, I grew up there. And very early on, I got really into solving Rubik's Cubes. I'd sort of seen a friend of mine, solve Rubik's Cube and decided to essentially ask him to teach me. Ended up basically getting extremely obsessed with it for a few reasons. One was the community in Rubik's Cubes are crazy. Actually, I learned Rubik's Cubes on YouTube from one of the co-founders of now OpenAI. Back then, he was just a machine learning researcher, and he's a very famous sort of Rubik's Cube teacher. But that's the type of quirky people you end up sort of seeing.