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Michael Saylor's Big Bitcoin Lie! CME Crypto Index Futures, SpaceX IPO, MasterCard AI Agent!

Thinking Crypto News & Interviews

June 13, 2026

In this episode Amanda and I discuss Michael Saylor's Strategy Bitcoin lie, Jim Cramer SpaceX IPO vs Bitcoin, MasterCard AI Agent stablecoin payments, CME crypto index futures, new legislation to establish the Federal Cryptocurrency Theft Task Force, and much more.
Speakers: Tony Edward, Amanda Wickroft
**Tony Edward** (0:00)
Spot on, and that's the thing that worries me. This is not about Bitcoin anymore, right? It's getting away from the ethos of Bitcoin. One could argue, he's trying to turn Bitcoin into what caused the 2008 collapse, right? The leveled up amount of leverage and just very risky, the amount of debt he's raised to do this.
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Link will be in the description. Hey folks, welcome into the Thinking Crypto Podcast, Crypto Water Cooler Series. I'm Tony Edward.

**Amanda Wickroft** (2:55)
And I'm Amanda Wickroft.

**Tony Edward** (2:56)
And we're going to dive into the latest and greatest with what's happening in the crypto market and industry. Amanda, great to see you.

**Amanda Wickroft** (3:03)
You too. I'm excited to dive in.

**Tony Edward** (3:05)
Amanda, I'm really pissed off at Michael Saylor.
This guy has given me con man vibes to set the table. He was at a conference recently and he said, I never said strategy would never sell our Bitcoin. I told you to never sell your Bitcoin. Can you believe this man?

**Amanda Wickroft** (3:25)
This man has become one of the most untouchable figures in Bitcoin. And I'm sorry, I think people should question the story without being attacked for it. I mean, the Bitcoin ecosystem has rewarded the loudest advocates, him being one of them.
And his entire campaign, as he travels on his private jet from conference to conference, is all ideology. And all of a sudden now he's buttoned up and explaining, well, the terms are such that I never said this, I never said that. And he's a joke.

**Tony Edward** (3:55)
He's acting as though the internet doesn't exist, as though we can go pull up thousands of videos. I wish I had sent thousands, but maybe about a hundred videos out there, plus articles of him saying he will never sell personally, but strategy are the king of hodlers.
They will never sell their Bitcoin. And look, I understand if he has to sell some, but what I'm pissed off more about is the lying.

**Amanda Wickroft** (4:20)
Yeah.

**Tony Edward** (4:21)
Because he's put out the AI slop. We've talked a lot about it in the past few episodes. We talked about all the AI slop he's putting out, telling people to hodl. So essentially, he's creating exit liquidity, and he's lying now saying, I never said that. And it's ridiculous. And I think the Bitcoin community needs to move past this guy of him being the face of it because now you have a con man, a liar as your face.

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