Masculinity Debate: Are Dating Apps Creating A Generation Of Incels?! Lonely Men Are More Dangerous Than Ever!

Logan Ury (0:00)

This is a critical conversation around truly the future of humanity.

Scott Galloway (0:04)

But we don't like to talk about this.

Steven Bartlett (0:06)

This report is absolutely shocking. This is a crisis and young men are struggling. So I sat down with two leading voices on societal issues to discuss the rise of millions of lonely, addicted men. And the most important question is, how do we fix this? So let's start with this graph. It shows that young women are now out earning young men.

Logan Ury (0:23)

It is true. We have given women so many tools to achieve, but now boys are being left behind.

Steven Bartlett (0:29)

And that the number of males aged 16 to 24 who are not in educational employment has increased by a staggering 40%.

Scott Galloway (0:35)

And the data I've seen is that when the woman in the relationship starts making more money, they become twice as likely to get divorced.

Logan Ury (0:41)

Because traditionally women seek partners who have more economic or social status than they do. And emotional intelligence is the new currency in dating. But these guys were raised not to be emotionally intelligent, but to be a provider.

Scott Galloway (0:55)

That a lack of male involvement in kids' lives is a big factor leading to this. And once they lose a male role model, they become much more likely to engage in criminal activity.

Logan Ury (1:02)

And so we are just creating a lot of these angry young single men who are saying, well, this is rigged against me.

Steven Bartlett (1:08)

We actually have an awesome of audience to write in. And this guy, Jeffrey, wrote in and said, My entire life, I have never felt like I was good enough. Like I could never earn my place in society.

Scott Galloway (1:17)

It's devastating. But it's something that's controversial. I mean, I'm pushing back on. I think the secret weapon for men that they don't leverage is to...

Steven Bartlett (1:24)

I want to hear a woman's perspective on it.

Logan Ury (1:25)

Honestly, what I would do is...

Steven Bartlett (1:31)

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Lost Boys In March 2025, the Centre of Social Justice released this report, which has sent a couple of shockwaves across the UK, especially across the media. And just to give you a little bit of a sort of preface and some context on what this report says, at the start of the report, Andy Cook, who's the CEO of the report, says, we listen to those working on the front line, the teachers, the youth workers, the charities and the parents who day in, day out see the struggles of young people. And in recent years, they've been telling us the same thing. Something is going on with our boys. And because of this, they wrote this report called The Lost Boys, which looks at all of the different facets of why young men are struggling. And in this report, they say boys are struggling in education, they're more likely to take their own lives, they're finding it more difficult to find stable work, and far too often they're caught in crime. The numbers don't lie. Something has shifted and we cannot ignore it any longer. It's not just about andutate or online influences. These are symptoms, not the cause. The deeper truth is that too many boys are growing up without the guidance, discipline and purpose they need to survive. And there's some frankly horrific graphs, which actually sent the CEO of my company, a lady called Georgie, into quite an emotional state. She texted me and told me she was crying looking at some of these graphs, which we'll talk about today. But this is a subject that I know both of you know very, very well. So I'm keen to get into exactly why this is happening and what we can do about it. But to preface this discussion, to understand where you both come from and the perspective you have. Logan, who are you?