“Majority Were Pakistani Muslim Men” – Lowe on 250K Grooming Victims

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**Patrick Bet-David** (0:30)
Speak to the audience, assume they've not read the whole thing.
Share some stats, share some testimonies, share some stories, because it's so uncomfortable to even read it and listen to it, but I think the truth needs to be laid out. So if you don't mind sharing a couple of their testimonies of the two weeks that you listen to, which I'm sure was very difficult, walk the audience through with a couple of different things. When you're saying 250,000, what percentage, they were raped by who, what backgrounds did they have? I think it's good for the audience to grasp that directly coming from you.

**Rupert Lowe** (1:04)
Well, the majority of the perpetrators of the rape were of Muslim background, from predominantly Pakistan and very often from one part of Pakistan called Meherpur. But there were other perpetrators from Eritrea, from Somalia, from Bangladesh, from Afghanistan. So look, I mean, it's predominantly an issue, we think, from doing our research with Pakistani Muslim men. And by the way, it's not just girls who get raped, it's boys as well. So that we didn't cover massively in the report, but it's quite clear that was happening too.
So I mean, I did a speech in Westminster Hall about a month ago, where I actually read some of the testimony. So I'll read you a couple of little, I have to put my glasses on being very old these days. So, I mean, give you an example. So I opened with, and I don't know whether your listeners are up to this, but if you're happy for me to read it, I'll read it to you.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:10)
Please go for it.

**Rupert Lowe** (2:12)
So this is one testimony, the first one, which I read. He said, he took his pants down, penetrated me, had sex with me, and then he stopped before ejaculation. He picked up the bottle of Jack Daniels, which was now empty, and he forced it up inside me. He broke the glass while he was there. At that point, I was about 12, nearly 13
So that's one. And then I'll read you two which were particularly difficult to listen to. I mean, one of them, a girl who I got to know was, she witnessed this herself. She's very strong and she's now rebuilt her life and actually done a degree.
So she said she was actually trafficked, would you believe it, to Saudi Arabia, which was extraordinary. Again, this was happening. People were being taken out of the country into different parts of the world, which is extraordinary. And our government doesn't seem to be particularly bothered about that. So she said it was all of the white girls in every home that I went to. I remember a man opening the back of a van, and I saw maybe 15, 20 girls locked in dog cages.

**Patrick Bet-David** (3:34)
Dog cages?

**Rupert Lowe** (3:35)
Literally dog cages in the back of a pickup or a van. And another one, this is the worst we had, I think, or one of the worst. They're all pretty shocking, to be frank with you.
Dogs were brought in and I couldn't move at all. I had nowhere to move. I think what was the scariest thing was not having any concept of it. There were men around me, not horrified, not disgusted, not helping, but filming and laughing. Making bets on whether the dog could actually rape me or not. And yes, I was raped by a dog. The man just held my face, stared me down straight in the eyes, and he wanted to see me break, which I did. Now, honestly, Patrick, whoever does that sort of thing, from in my mind, there's no place for them in a high trust society like ours. There just isn't.
I mean, these go on. There's a lot of these. And I think if you've read the report, you've probably seen most of them.

**Patrick Bet-David** (4:51)
It's disturbing when you're going through it. And how many of them got pregnant? And how many of them, one of the girls at 18 years old was 70 years old. And she said probably a hundred men raped her. And these are kids that are 11, 12, 13 years old. They're going to a house that they can't leave. And they're being threatened that if you go tell anybody, we'll tell your family and we'll come and do the same thing to your younger sister. So the older sister, protecting the younger sister doesn't want anything to happen to her.