Killing in the Name Of

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Dan McClellan (1:01)

The tradition that we see in the Acts of Andrew is that he was crucified on an X-shaped cross.

Dan Beecher (1:08)

A St. Andrew's cross, for those of you in the kink world.

Dan McClellan (1:13)

I think the St. Andrew's cross exists outside the kink world.

Dan Beecher (1:17)

Oh, okay. You guys can have it, too. That's fine, whatever.

Dan McClellan (1:25)

Hey, everybody. I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:26)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:28)

And this is Data Over Dogma, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (1:38)

Things are good. Things are good. How are you?

Dan McClellan (1:42)

I'm getting used to a new speech pattern. I've got a bunch of plastic covering the inside of my mouth, mainly on my teeth, but some are embedded in my gums. I have invisible aligners on my teeth, so my tongue is trying to figure out how to make the sounds that it is used to making while navigating around all this plastic. So if I sound a little odd or suddenly choke on my own spit or something like that, that's going to be the reason why.

Dan Beecher (2:12)

We'll all attempt to be forgiving, but frankly, it's probably not going to work. Anyway, we got a fun show coming up. This one, I think we're going to get some emails about. I think we might get in trouble. So we'll see, but the first part of our show, the first segment of our show, we're going to call it a chapter and verse, and we're going to be in First Samuel. And it's, you know, if you don't know what's happening in current events or whatever, it may just sound like an everyday sort of thing that we're going to talk about Amalek. But when I say that we will be invoking the name Netanyahu, I think people might know... I think the hairs on a few necks might have stood up just now. So we'll get to that. And then the second half of our show is a What's That? I don't know. Is it a What's That? Is it a... I don't know what it is. Yeah, we'll call it a What's That. We're going to talk about the deaths of the apostles.

Dan McClellan (3:19)

Yes, we hear about this all the time, that the nobody dies for a lie. All the apostles went to all kinds of excruciating and fantastical deaths. And we're actually going to talk about why people think that the apostles died in certain ways. And very little of it has to do with anything verifiable. So...

Dan Beecher (3:41)

And also, can we just get rid of this nobody dies for a lie thing? Like, unless you're...

Dan McClellan (3:46)

Yeah, people die for a lie all the time.

Dan Beecher (3:47)

People die for lies constantly. It's such a frequent thing. Like, if you don't believe in Islam and you know that there are, you know...

Dan McClellan (3:58)

Martyrs for Islam.

Dan Beecher (3:59)

Martyrs for Islam. Then you know, people die for things that they believe in.

Dan McClellan (4:05)

And we'll talk about... I don't know the degree to which we'll get to that. Maybe that needs to be its own segment, this argument that the resurrection is historically defensible because people don't die for a lie, which is also a bit of a straw man. Because the options are not, it either happened or everybody knowingly lied about believing it happened. Why can't it just be that these people sincerely believe they experienced a resurrected person and might not have, or definitely didn't?