Kawhi in Flux, Embiid’s Next Team, Jaylen vs. Advanced Numbers, and a Mini-Mailbag With Joe House artwork

Kawhi in Flux, Embiid’s Next Team, Jaylen vs. Advanced Numbers, and a Mini-Mailbag With Joe House

The Bill Simmons Podcast

July 9, 2026

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Joe House react to the news of the Raptors putting the Kawhi trade on hold until after the Aspiration investigation finishes. Then, they take a deeper look at the Jaylen Brown trade and why the Celtics decided to let him go.
Speakers: Bill Simmons, Joe House
**Bill Simmons** (0:00)
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House and I, we talked about Kawhi at the top. We talked about Jaylen versus Analytics. Could Joel Embiid be traded? Didn't anyone even want him? Then we did a whole mailbag and all of that is coming up next, right after we take a break and hear Pearl Jam.
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All right, House, this part of the podcast is 12.15. We just finished our podcast, and then as we finished, Kawhi told us that there was breaking news of the NBA. It was the Toronto Raptors saying that their trade for Kawhi Leonard is on hold. According to this statement, they said, the NBA league office informed us that as a result of the ongoing investigation by the Clippers, we would assume the risk of any potential outcome of the investigation impacting Kawhi. In light of this, we will wait until the league's investigation is complete. The Raptors remain eager to bring Kawhi back to Toronto and look forward to a swift resolution for our players, our organization, our fans.
So we actually talked about this in the podcast before. I'll just leave it in so we can hear, because Conspiracy Bill came out.
What does this mean?

**Joe House** (4:07)
I have no idea. I mean, the league office is doing informing. The league office is responsible.

**Bill Simmons** (4:13)
The trade happened a week ago.

**Joe House** (4:15)
How much more time do they need? What are we getting to the bottom of at this point?

**Bill Simmons** (4:20)
But this seems to indicate that Kawhi could be suspended.

**Joe House** (4:24)
It suggests that there could be Kawhi consequences. This is asinine. What is the fucking league doing? The league is responsible for the outcome and whatever pronouncement it wants to make. The teams are permitted to do business.
If this was a condition that was going to be...

**Bill Simmons** (4:44)
But why didn't the league say, you're not allowed to do, to trade Kawhi or do anything until we finish our investigation?

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