Kane Brown country music superstar & chart-topping artist gets candid on feeling overlooked in Nashville, breaking barriers, loneliness despite success, family, marriage proposal etiquette, famous friends, Kane's Bar on Broadway, and the finish line

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
So you're saying with Hilton Honors, I can use points for a free night stay anywhere?

**Kane Brown** (0:04)
Anywhere.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:06)
What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris? Yeah, Hilton Honors, baby. Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad and Tulum?

**Channing Crowder** (0:13)
Hilton Honors, baby.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:15)
What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives? Are you gonna do this for all 9,000 properties?

**SPEAKER_4** (0:22)
When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay.

**Ryan Clark** (0:28)
Sometimes, success isn't about becoming someone new. It's about refusing to forget where you come from. Today, we welcome one of the biggest stars in country music, Kane Brown. But this conversation isn't about awards or streams or sold out stadiums. It's about identity, family, and figuring out who you are when the world keeps trying to define you for you. We talk about growing up biracial and feeling like an outsider almost everywhere he went. The moment his brother told him that he was black and nine years old and how that changed his understanding of himself. We revisit the days working at Lowe's, singing with a dream that was much bigger than his current circumstances. We dive into building a career alongside his wife, Caitlin, the differences in between his upbringing and the life he's now able to create for his own children and how complicated friendships can be in country music, a genre that sometimes rewards imitation more than authenticity. Then we get into what's next, the songs he wants to write, stepping into acting and what Kane Brown's on Broadway actually means to the young star. This is a conversation about growth, about gratitude and about staying true to yourself, no matter how big the stage becomes, even if you were a little scared to ask for your wife's hand in marriage. It's me, Chan and Freddie T.
And we welcome country music star Kane Brown to The Pivot right now.

**Kane Brown** (2:14)
Well, I've already seen you today.

**Ryan Clark** (2:15)
I'm sure you'll catch them all, though. What's happening with you?

**Channing Crowder** (2:18)
Kane, what's up, bro?

**Fred Taylor** (2:19)
Yes, sir.

**Channing Crowder** (2:20)
We're having a conversation about which jersey you would take down to put up Channing's jersey.

**Kane Brown** (2:25)
Come on. Hey, you get me one, I'll put you in there by Curry. I'll put you where everybody actually sees you.

**Fred Taylor** (2:31)
We got you, brother. I'm gonna get you a jersey. Yeah, you can take that Ben Simmons down, though.

**Kane Brown** (2:38)
If you notice, they're all, none of them are with the team anymore.

**Fred Taylor** (2:41)
Yeah.

**Kane Brown** (2:42)
They're all, even Trey now. Well, Yonah's about to go.

**Ryan Clark** (2:46)
Where you got Devin?

**Fred Taylor** (2:47)
Yonah's about to leave.

**Ryan Clark** (2:48)
Yonah's about to go.

**Fred Taylor** (2:48)
Yonah's about to go, too.

**Kane Brown** (2:49)
Where's he going?

**Ryan Clark** (2:50)
They're about to trade in. They're about to have a whole, like, three per... He said he'll go to, what, Boston or Miami.

**Kane Brown** (2:57)
He goes to Boston. That'd be crazy.

**Ryan Clark** (2:58)
Yeah. No, this is dope, man. Kane Brown, welcome to The Pivot.
I mean, we were trying to get it together for a while, probably since I met you at Fanatics Fest, since we targeted you at the flag football game.

**Kane Brown** (3:09)
No, y'all were getting me confused with the other, the United States number three.
There was two of us. He was getting killed.

**Ryan Clark** (3:17)
This is Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder, Ryan Clark, Pivot fam. Thank y'all for pivoting with us, man. You know, it was cool. We got to work out this morning. I thought we was going to take more breaks, you know. Kane is actually a lot stronger than I expected. The man did 100 push-ups straight. Me at 46, I had a plan.
We'll do 50, 25, 25 That wasn't the plan Kane had. When he got to 70, I let him go on ahead and go though. Yeah, I let him go on and go. Kane, man, you have kind of maneuvered between all these different worlds. I made the joke to you upstairs. I guess it's not really a joke, but I was like, man, in the first article I read about you from 2018, the first thing you said was the tatted up biracial artist. And I thought that was odd that you had to be described in that way.
How have you had to process throughout your entire life being someone that felt like an outsider pretty much in every space he was in?