JRE MMA Show #41 with T.J. Dillashaw & Duane Ludwig

Duane Ludwig (0:00)

Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan (0:00)

And then we leave it there.

T.J. Dillashaw (0:02)

I think you'd be too nervous, yeah, like you said.

Joe Rogan (0:05)

Boom, and we're live. UFC Motherfucker Badaway Champion, TJ. Dillashaw and Duane Ludwig.

Master Splinter, what's up, buddy? Good to see you, man.

Duane Ludwig (0:15)

Good to see you.

Joe Rogan (0:16)

You got golf shirts now, too. Look at you, you respectable motherfucker.

Duane Ludwig (0:19)

I'm 40 now. I gotta step up my game.

T.J. Dillashaw (0:21)

People walk in the dojo and he's gotta look dressed to the nines, you know, looking like it's the job.

Duane Ludwig (0:26)

But there's a warning sign on the wall, it says explicit language.

Joe Rogan (0:29)

Oh, so you let people know, people are gonna be swearing up in this bitch.

Duane Ludwig (0:33)

Yes, sir. Line up, motherfuckers.

Down on the mat first, though.

Joe Rogan (0:37)

Did you say that when you teach classes?

Duane Ludwig (0:40)

So, I get into it, yeah, I'm passionate.

Joe Rogan (0:41)

Yeah, no, you are, yeah. You get fired up.

Duane Ludwig (0:43)

Yes, that's why I don't teach the kids.

We have a separate room for the kids' classes. That's smart, man.

Joe Rogan (0:48)

Yeah. So you have a children's program?

Duane Ludwig (0:51)

Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan (0:51)

Nice. Dude, I love the fact that you take regular classes.

I watch you on the Instagram.

T.J. Dillashaw (0:56)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:56)

Bantamweight Champion of the World.

T.J. Dillashaw (0:58)

Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:58)

Regular classes with regular people. I see them in there with you like, holy shit, you're all starstruck and weirded out, going through drills.

T.J. Dillashaw (1:05)

I love it. I love, I mean, obviously, none of his classes are regular, though. Even if you're an average Joe coming off the street, like Duane's teaching you the same shit that I'm doing. But yeah, working out with a guy that's never had a real fight before, I mean, he'll always remember that. He'll always get to work out with me. So it's cool, man. I like doing it. And especially at Duane's gym, too. It kind of shows the true love that I have for the system and being in there.

Joe Rogan (1:27)

Yeah, I mean, what kind of fucking sport, other than MMA, is that even possible?

Duane Ludwig (1:31)

Good point.

Joe Rogan (1:33)

Right? If it's controlled. Jiu-Jitsu, you could do that. But most people don't know who the Jiu-Jitsu guys are. I mean, you're fighting on fucking television all the time.

T.J. Dillashaw (1:41)

It's almost too easy to have that happen in this sport.

To where there's people you shouldn't be smart with, it happens. That's why a controlled environment is awesome. That's why I feel like the small kind of training camps and teams have been so beneficial, because you know exactly who you're working out with and who you're getting better with. But there are times to work out with the average guys, not when I'm getting ready for a fight or don't want to get hurt kind of thing. And then his is a very controlled system when we're doing Dutch drills that it's not going to go crazy.

Joe Rogan (2:11)

There's so many different approaches to training fighters.

And you obviously have hit... You guys have the best fighter trainer relationship that I know about, because you guys are so tight. It's like, you guys are really a team. Whereas there's always some weird animosity with fighters and trainers, and the blow ups are just like men and women. Like when men and women break up, and you fucking bitch, you fucking, you fucking fucking...

That happens with... That makes me so sad when I see fighter trainer blow outs. When they separate and talk shit about each other, like, God, that's such a bummer.

T.J. Dillashaw (2:47)

I think it's both of them have too big of an ego. One wants to be the coach, maybe coaching the fighter, one wants to be more popular or whatever it may be, you know?

And it just, I don't know, whenever Duane came into the gym and as soon as he was there from the first practice, I knew we were gonna get along. He's a crazy motherfucker, he likes to go hard, competitive, and that's kinda like everything I do, you know?

Joe Rogan (3:07)

But you're also, you have a very, very well thought out system.

Duane Ludwig (3:11)

Yes, sir.

Joe Rogan (3:11)

Like I've been, I was very impressed with, like, just your documentation of your system, how you have all these different things worked out. These aren't like just half, I mean, there's obviously creativity involved when an actual fight is happening, but your system is so well thought out and so comprehensive.