JRE MMA Show #38 with Gaston Bolanos & Kirian Fitzgibbons

Joe Rogan (0:00)

Four, three, two, one.

Yeah! And we're live, gentlemen. What's up, boys? Good to see you again. What's happening?

Gaston Bolanos (0:10)

Happy to be here, man.

Joe Rogan (0:11)

Happy to have you here, man. You are the only guy right now that I know of that is fighting at the highest level in three combat sports.

Gaston Bolanos (0:19)

Correct.

Joe Rogan (0:20)

MMA, Muay Thai, and kickboxing. That's fucking crazy.

Gaston Bolanos (0:25)

Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan (0:26)

How do you keep your head together?

Gaston Bolanos (0:27)

I don't know, like last time warming up in Rome, actually, was the first time warming up for a kickboxing fight. I threw a spinning back elbow, I was like, I better not do that shit.

Joe Rogan (0:34)

Yeah, spinning back elbows, no bueno, and a kickbox. You could do a spinning back fist, though, right?

Gaston Bolanos (0:38)

I did, which I landed two of them in my last fight.

Joe Rogan (0:41)

Do you see what's happening lately where a lot of guys are hitting foreheads with their arms and snapping their arm? Paige did it, obviously, who else did it recently?

Paul Felder did it. A couple guys have done it. They spin and you catch foreheads, and that is not a good combination.

Gaston Bolanos (0:58)

Yeah, I feel like the kickboxing glove protects you a little bit more than the MMA glove probably does. Yeah. Four ounce, ten ounce, there's a little bit of cushion there that might protect you a little more.

Joe Rogan (1:09)

Yeah.

Gaston Bolanos (1:10)

It's still, I don't know, it's still something that, you know, when I first started fighting kickboxing, he was like, I don't know, man, be careful with it because I would kind of catch the middle of my arm. Right.

So it's a little different than the spinning elbow, which is, in my opinion, a lot more safer to throw.

Joe Rogan (1:26)

Now, what happens if you throw a spinning back fist in kickboxing and you really kind of catch them with like the meat above the elbow?

Kirian Fitzgibbons (1:32)

It's illegal.

Joe Rogan (1:33)

It's legal or ill?

Kirian Fitzgibbons (1:34)

No, it's illegal.

Joe Rogan (1:35)

It's illegal.

Kirian Fitzgibbons (1:35)

You're only allowed.

Joe Rogan (1:36)

But what about here?

Kirian Fitzgibbons (1:37)

No, you have to in, based on, in whether it's Glory or it's K-1 or it's Bellator, it has to be with the back knuckle back of the pad of the glove.

Joe Rogan (1:49)

The back, it can't be the side?

Kirian Fitzgibbons (1:50)

It cannot be a hammer fist. That is illegal.

Joe Rogan (1:52)

Ooh, that's weird.

Gaston Bolanos (1:53)

You'll get a point deducted and if you cause more damage, then you might get DQ'd.

Kirian Fitzgibbons (2:00)

Yeah, when Sato knocked out Joe in that Bellator fight, if you watch it, it was a hammer fist and there was a lot of talk about whether it was legal or illegal, but it wasn't a back fist, it was a hammer fist. Yeah, it's not.

Joe Rogan (2:11)

Interesting.

Kirian Fitzgibbons (2:11)

Yeah, it's illegal per ISKA and most governing bodies.

Joe Rogan (2:15)

So when you knocked out Joe Schilling.

Kirian Fitzgibbons (2:17)

In that kickboxing fight when they first fought.

Joe Rogan (2:19)

So because they spun, because he landed with the back of the hand or the side of the hand, it's actually illegal?

Kirian Fitzgibbons (2:25)

It's considered a foul.

Joe Rogan (2:26)

Did anybody bring it up?

Kirian Fitzgibbons (2:28)

They mentioned it, but I think at that time, Joe had come off of that Simon situation with the lion fight and he was like, ah, move on, you know. You know, I got knocked out, it is what it is, you know, so he didn't make a big deal about it.

Joe Rogan (2:40)

That dude hits fucking hard.

Kirian Fitzgibbons (2:41)

Yeah, absolutely.

Joe Rogan (2:42)

Yeah, and Joe is so reckless, he's so aggressive, you know, like he has these moments of like extreme emotion where he just, and that dude, he wanted to knock that dude out so bad after he got knocked out in the MMA fight, he wanted to knock him out in his rules.

Kirian Fitzgibbons (3:00)

And I think that is what you saw with Cody this weekend, too.

Joe Rogan (3:02)

Yeah.

Gaston Bolanos (3:02)

Too much emotion in one fight, you know.

Joe Rogan (3:04)

Yeah, man, we were talking about that and watching the replays, like you could see in his face that every shot he was trying to knock him out with.

Gaston Bolanos (3:12)

As soon as I saw him walk, I mean, not walk out, he looked okay walking out. As soon as the bell rang, I was like, he just did it. He looked a little stiff.