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JRE MMA Show #171 with Brendan Allen

The Joe Rogan Experience

December 9, 2025

Joe sits down with Brendan Allen, a professional mixed martial artist currently competing in the Middleweight division of the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

Speakers Joe Rogan, Brendan Allen, Jamie Vernon

TopicsComedy

Joe Rogan (0:01)

Joe Rogan Podcast, checking out The Joe Rogan Experience.

Brendan Allen (0:06)

Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

All right, what's happening, brother?

Brendan Allen (0:14)

Thanks for having us.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

My pleasure. So, Jamie, what were you just saying? I stopped you because it sounds so crazy.

Jamie Vernon (0:22)

Trump said there's going to be eight to nine title fights at the White House UFC event, and that they're, I guess, in quotes, withholding.

Joe Rogan (0:28)

Okay, first of all, there's only eight weight classes. So how's there going to be nine title fights?

Jamie Vernon (0:34)

It'd be a BBMF fight. Maybe you had a BBMF. Maybe you have all of them in the BBMF.

Joe Rogan (0:39)

I guess, but that's kind of a crazy thing. We're going to have 20 title fights. All the title fights has ever been. Did he say any matchups?

Jamie Vernon (0:48)

No, he didn't say who. He just said they're going to... I'll see if there's even a tweet about it. I just thought of talking about it as like a press conference or something.

Joe Rogan (0:56)

Well, if they don't do John Jones at the White House, I think it would be a travesty.

Brendan Allen (1:01)

For sure.

Joe Rogan (1:02)

They need to do that.

Brendan Allen (1:03)

They have to.

Joe Rogan (1:03)

Come on. Dana is like, you can't count on them. You can't fucking count on them. Come on, stop.

Brendan Allen (1:08)

When he wants to, he's going to make it happen.

Jamie Vernon (1:10)

At the White House?

Joe Rogan (1:11)

Come on. John Jones versus... Let's see. What does it say here? Donald Trump predicts eight or nine championship fights.

Uh, okay. It would literally have to be every weight class fighting for the title, which would be nuts. Everyone's a championship fight. Everyone's a legendary type of fighter. Yeah, he's actually holding back fights right now for six months, so he can do it in 15th of June. Trump continued, seemingly meaning 14th of June. Yeah, arena is going to be 5,000 or 6,000 seats, right in the front door of the White House. 100,000 people in the back where they're putting up 8 or 10 very big screens. What kind of fucking security are they going to have for this?

Brendan Allen (2:00)

It's going to be insane.

Jamie Vernon (2:01)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (2:04)

Are you trying to get on this?

Brendan Allen (2:06)

I mean, not really.

Joe Rogan (2:07)

Not really?

Brendan Allen (2:10)

I can't imagine, like you said, the security, the behind the scenes, how much stuff is really going to happen? I'm just like...

Joe Rogan (2:15)

A lot of weird pressure too, because it's like all the security and the protocols, all that extra shit in your mind before you have to go out there and fight.

Brendan Allen (2:24)

Yeah, it just seems like a lot, like a lot more than what it needs to be. I'm sure it's going to be cool to watch, you know, kind of like, what was that?

Joe Rogan (2:30)

The Sphere?

Brendan Allen (2:30)

Yeah. Kind of cool to watch like that, but...

Joe Rogan (2:33)

Also, you're fighting outside.

Brendan Allen (2:35)

Yes. That's what I... Like, what are they going to do? Put a roof over it? Like, what happens if it rains? What if it's hot?

Joe Rogan (2:40)

What if it's hot and muggy? That's going to affect people, you know?

Brendan Allen (2:43)

I've watched them do outside fights in Louisiana. Oh, man.

Joe Rogan (2:46)

Oh, God. Louisiana is the... You can cut that air.

Brendan Allen (2:49)

You got to see everyone slipping and sliding. It's so humid.

Joe Rogan (2:52)

Oh, that's terrible. Did you ever see that King of the Cage fight that they did where it was raining?

Brendan Allen (2:57)

I've seen the highlight of it, but I've never watched the whole thing.

Joe Rogan (2:59)

Yeah, it was called King of the Cage, Wet and Wild, and it rained out. This was in the day when we used to have to put on fights at Indian casinos. I'm pretty sure Eddie Bravo was doing the commentary back then.

It rained out, and so they were like, what do you guys want to do? Everybody was like, well, we want to get paid, so I guess we have to fight. So they fought in the fucking rain. I mean, it was crazy.

Brendan Allen (3:23)

How do you do that?

Joe Rogan (3:24)

I don't remember what the canvas was made out of. It might have been slick. It might have been like a vinyl canvas. It might not have been like a canvas like the UFC's canvas, which is actual canvas. It might have been like a jujitsu mat type situation.

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