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JRE MMA Show #169 - Protect Ya Neck

The Joe Rogan Experience

August 14, 2025

Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas. John owns Shogun Fights and also serves as the owner and head coach at Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy.
Speakers: John Rallo, Joe Rogan, Din Thomas, Matt Serra
**John Rallo** (0:01)
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**John Rallo** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. We're up.

**Din Thomas** (0:13)
We're up.

**Matt Serra** (0:14)
What?

**Joe Rogan** (0:17)
We're back. It's just like getting pulled over by the cops, the window rolls down, the cops are like, what the fuck are you doing?

**Matt Serra** (0:26)
Shit.

**SPEAKER_6** (0:27)
Joe, I took one hit of that shit. That shit was strong as hell. I feel high already.

**Din Thomas** (0:31)
That's good for you, D. It's good for you. Opens your mind.

**Joe Rogan** (0:34)
It's the right stuff. Yeah, there's some talk about Trump legalizing marijuana now.

**Din Thomas** (0:39)
That would be amazing.

**Matt Serra** (0:41)
It kind of feels like it is legal right now.

**Joe Rogan** (0:43)
Well, it should be. It's so stupid. I can't believe we're still dealing with this. I mean, I would have thought by the time I just turned 58, I would have thought by the time I'm 58, we would have figured this out, right?

**Matt Serra** (0:53)
Can I tell you, when I ate my ulcerative colitis, we always thought with my ass for some reason, but with my ulcerative colitis, after my colonoscopy one time, the doctor's like, well, there's this pill you could take. It could affect your liver, but not for many years. Like, not for, no, this was when I was like 39 I'm 51 now.
I'd be going to Columbia for stem cells for my fucking liver at this point. So, what I do is the natural stuff, and it does help me. It just helps, and I don't have to, if that's not fucking up my liver, probably.

**Joe Rogan** (1:27)
It would take the place of so many different pharmaceutical drugs, and that's a big part of the problem. The other part of the problem is the alcohol industry.

**SPEAKER_6** (1:35)
Oh, yeah, that would suffer for sure, right?

**Joe Rogan** (1:37)
Yeah. They've done studies. They know. They lobby. They work on it hard. They do not want marijuana becoming legalized in the whole nation.

**Matt Serra** (1:47)
Alcohol is way worse.

**Joe Rogan** (1:48)
Way worse.

**Matt Serra** (1:49)
An age old conversation, but shh.

**Joe Rogan** (1:52)
Well, the real big problem is who's selling if it's illegal? The cartel.
You know, I've talked about this before. If you've heard it before, I'm sorry. But there's a guy named John Norris who's been on the podcast before, who was a game warden. He wrote a book called Hidden Wars. He was a game warden in California. You know, just a guy who checks fishing licenses and shit. He loves the woods, loves being outdoors.

**Din Thomas** (2:13)
Oh, he came on the shit.

**Joe Rogan** (2:14)
And he came upon a fucking cartel grow-op in the middle of the national forest. And then they realized, oh no, this is what they do. They go deep into the woods in public land and they set up a grow-op and they got fucking AKs and they got, you know, the Virgin Mary photos that they pray to at night. It's crazy. Like full on campsites filled with cartel dudes, they started turning into a tactical team. So this guy had to get Belgian Malmois and bulletproof vests and they're getting shootouts with the cartels in the middle of the woods.

**Din Thomas** (2:46)
I thought he was signing up to be a park ranger and he's out there. No shit.

**Joe Rogan** (2:50)
Yeah, yeah. Hear people's fish stories. Like how did you get this one? You know, no, he's fucking getting shootouts because it's illegal.

**Din Thomas** (2:56)
Damn, with the cartels.

**Joe Rogan** (2:57)
Damn. So when California made their laws where you could have legalized recreational marijuana, what they also did was if you grow it illegally, it's only a misdemeanor.
So the cartel could just grow it illegally. It's a misdemeanor. And if they catch people that are illegals up there, they don't do shit. So it's the perfect spawning ground for cartel grow-ups. And what he was saying at the time he was here, which was a couple of years back, but he was saying that it was as much as 80% of the marijuana, I think that was the number in the country in places where it's illegal is coming from these dudes. And they're using all these crazy pesticides and herbs that are totally illegal, fucking super toxic shit, shit that's outlawed on farms in America, but it's effective. And so they're using it. So you're getting this weed that's infected with these pesticides and herbs. There's no rules, man. It's illegal weed. If they had it legal, you could have inspectors who could check the fucking, the farms and the factories. It'd be just like alcohol. If alcohol was illegal, we'd be fucked. We'd be drinking moonshine.

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