JRE MMA Show #128 with Kamaru Usman

Joe Rogan (0:04)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Kamaru Usman (0:12)

Just gotta make sure that ouside of whereabout is up to date.

Joe Rogan (0:16)

Is that what you just did? I can't believe they woke you up at 5.3 in the fucking morning.

Kamaru Usman (0:21)

Oh yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:22)

That's ridiculous.

Kamaru Usman (0:23)

They don't care.

Joe Rogan (0:24)

But that's not even not caring. That's like negligent.

It's like if you have an athlete and the athlete has to rest and recover and you're waking them up at 5.3 in the morning, you break their sleep cycle, you're affecting the training. You could cause an injury. A lot of shit could be wrong.

Kamaru Usman (0:41)

But I think for them, it's, I don't know because I'm not them, but you know, I think some people, fighters feel like, oh, we're going to catch them, it's 5.3 in the morning, we're going to catch them before they do anything.

Joe Rogan (0:58)

Well, Ali was saying that it's EPO, that it's like short lasting. So if people take it and they take it at night, it'll be out of their system by the time you saw the shows up. If they show up at 9 a.m.

then, you know.

Kamaru Usman (1:10)

I wouldn't fucking know. Maybe he would.

Like Ali, how do you know that information?

Joe Rogan (1:16)

How does he know? Well, you know, if you're a manager, you're dealing with at least one cheater.

If you have 50 clients, there's a guy in there that's doing something funky.

Kamaru Usman (1:29)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:30)

What percentage of fighters do you think are doing something?

Kamaru Usman (1:34)

Do I think nowadays? I mean, it's tough. It's tough because I never really, I never focused on that. I never worried about it, but I did know that, you know, yeah, some fighters you could just, you could see back in the day, like, hey, this is not normal. Last year I saw you, you didn't look like that.

Yeah. So I think, yeah, back in the day, pre-USADA, you could say, you could say, I would say a good, maybe 25 to 30 percent.

Joe Rogan (2:06)

I think before USADA, it was higher than that.

I think there was a time where it was, I don't know what the percentage was, but I think it was a lot of fighters. And then it got real squirrely with the testosterone replacement shit.

Kamaru Usman (2:18)

Yeah, I do remember that time.

Joe Rogan (2:20)

That was the dumbest time ever. The fact that they didn't think that through and they just let people game the system like that.

Kamaru Usman (2:26)

It's funny to me because I get it all the time now.

Joe Rogan (2:32)

Of course.

Kamaru Usman (2:33)

Like people accuse me all the time.

And I haven't really told the story. But so one day I saw like people kept tagging me in this video and it was this some fucking guy, some dumbass that's on YouTube that swears he can spot people that do, you know, PEDs.

Joe Rogan (2:55)

Oh, it's probably more plates, more dates.

Kamaru Usman (2:57)

Maybe. Yeah, I don't know.

Joe Rogan (2:59)

Derek, he's been on the podcast before.

Kamaru Usman (3:01)

So he's like, yeah, I know that guy's doing it because I can see the marks on him and stuff like that.

And so they start pointing out, because I have like five scars on my stomach, like burn, like discoloration on my stomach.

And they start pointing at that and he starts talking about it and making up this whole theory and it kind of hurt my feelings a little bit because it... But you make it happy. Okay, so here's the story. I was a little self-conscious about it because...

So this is what happened. I was in college. This was my, I want to say junior year, sophomore, junior year, going into my junior season.

And actually, I think it was after my junior season. So I started getting these. I got like a mole on my stomach, and I got one on my hand, and I'm one of those. I'm kind of like a clean freak. I shower after practice right away. So I start scratching it, and then it starts bleeding. So I'm like, fuck, that's not a regular... I thought it was like a pimple. That's not a regular zit or something like that. So then over time, maybe it was like five little, it was like tiny. You could barely see them. So I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna ask the doc. We have a team doctor. I'm gonna ask him about it. So I went in for a physical before the season, I asked him, hey, you know, I have this right here. I don't know what they are.