Josh Shapiro on Trump, Iran War Chaos, Israel's Failure, the Economy, and 2028 Race

**Jason** (0:00)
All right, everybody, we've got an incredible guest today. Governor Josh Shapiro is here. Obviously, governor of Pennsylvania. He's got record-setting popularity in Pennsylvania right now. 60% approval, at least. He's a moderate. He's focused on getting sh-t done, GSD. He's tough on crime. Rank number one, according to my notes on charging Medicaid fraud. He's pro data center. He's got a nuanced take on Israel, and he's a baller, apparently. He cuts at the table.
Got him. Here's your governor.

**Josh Shapiro** (0:36)
Look at those short shorts. Holy cow.

**Jason** (0:40)
It's the late 80s? And based on the VHS tape, this looks like the 80s.

**Josh Shapiro** (0:46)
Yeah, that was 1990, I think.

**Jason** (0:50)
Look at that play in the points.

**Josh Shapiro** (0:51)
There you go.

**Jason** (0:52)
Very nice. Very nice.

**Josh Shapiro** (0:55)
That was back when people shot mid-range jumpers. They don't do that anymore, man. They don't do that. They should.

**Jason** (1:01)
All threes, yeah. I mean, we have a couple of players, and we were talking before the show started. You're obviously a big Philly fan, and I'm a big Nick fan, so I will see you at the games. We're on a collision course.

**Josh Shapiro** (1:12)
By the way, with all due respect, and I hope we have a good conversation here, I hope to never see you at the games. Because if you're showing up in Philly with all your Nick's crap on, I'm not going to be a happy guy.

**Jason** (1:22)
Oh, look at his selfie court side with my friend, Dave, who is one of the co-owners of the team, who's a mutual friend of ours, who I think egged you on a little bit to come on the program here.

**Josh Shapiro** (1:33)
He did.

**Jason** (1:33)
Which I appreciate.

**Josh Shapiro** (1:34)
He said, go on All-In. They have thoughtful conversations and anxious to have one with you. So thanks for having me.

**Jason** (1:39)
Yeah. There's so much for us to talk about, but I thought I would start with your track record in Pennsylvania. The reason I wanted to start there is because there's a bit of a collision course happening right now between you and Gavin. Gavin's got what I would describe as a variable tenure here in California. I left California for Texas because I just thought it was a bit of a disaster. But you're doing great in your state. And that's in the face of New York, my hometown, New Jersey, Boston, like losing a lot of business leaders. And you've been scoring some big wins. So when you look at your track record, maybe you could just educate the audience on what you've gotten done.
And maybe in comparison to what's happening in those other states with other Democratic leaders, because you seem to be maybe the exception to this rule that Democrats aren't getting it done on a business level.

**Josh Shapiro** (2:33)
Look, I'm proud of what we've done. I'm not in comparison with Gavin or any other Democratic governor. I'll just talk about what we've done here in Pennsylvania. We are a pro-growth state. We want businesses to come here and grow. I'm proud of the fact that we've created more jobs in all but two states in the entire country. We've cut taxes seven different times to be more competitive, cut taxes for small businesses, also for families trying to afford child care, for seniors, for working Pennsylvanians. We've taken our permitting process. That's usually the ticket you need, say, to build your building, right? If you're trying to build something here in Pennsylvania, we were bottom five in the country. I think we're now a national model, easily top five in terms of speed. We've got a money-back guarantee on all of our permits. If we don't get you your permit in time, we'll give you your money back. And fun fact, we've issued 40 million permits during my time as governor. We've only had to issue five refunds, meaning only five of those permits were late. We are now the only growing economy in the northeastern part of the United States. At the same time, we're investing in workforce development, especially if you don't have a college degree, tripling funding for VOTEK and apprenticeship programs, and understanding the need to take the workforce we have today and prepare them for jobs here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. I'm proud that we've got an unemployment rate below the national rate consistently over the last 32 months. I think it is really critical that every kid born in Pennsylvania gets a great quality education, that that kid has a safe street to walk down to get to school or wherever else they're going, and that they've got a job in the community that they love. Those to me are the core foundational principles. It's what we focus on every single day. Our mantra, as you said at the top, is GSD, get done. Those are the areas where we focus on getting done. And I think we're putting a lot of points on the board every single day. That's having a meaningful difference in people's lives.